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"State Health Commissioner Dr. Norman Oliver told 8News on Friday that he plans to mandate coronavirus vaccinations for Virginians once one is made available to the public.

Virginia state law gives the Commissioner of Health the authority to mandate immediate immunizations during a public health crisis if a vaccine is available. Health officials say an immunization could be released as early as 2021."

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“We Have A Lot of Evidence That It’s A Fake Story All Over The World” – German Doctors on COVID-19

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The Facts: More than 500 German doctors & scientists have signed on as representatives of an organization called the "Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee" to investigate what's happening on our planet with regards to COVID-19.

Reflect On: Why are so many professionals and experts in the field being censored, ridiculed and shut down by organizations like the WHO? Should we not have the right to examine information openly, freely, and transparently?

What Happened:

More than 500 German doctors & scientists have signed on as representatives of an organization called “Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss.” Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss stands for the “Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee and was established to investigate all things that pertain to the new coronavirus such as the severity of the virus, and whether or not the actions taken by governments around the world, and in this case the German government, are justified and not causing more harm than good.

As the Corona-Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, we will investigate why these restrictive measures were imposed upon us in our country as part of COVID-19, why people are suffering now and whether there is proportionality of the measures to this disease caused by the SARS-COV-2 virus. We have serious doubts that these measures are proportionate. This needs to be examined, and since the parliaments – neither the opposition parties nor the ruling parties – have not convened a committee and it is not even planned, it is high time that we took this into our own hands. We will invite and hear experts here in the Corona speaker group. These are experts from all areas of life: Medicine, social affairs, law, economics and many more.
https://acu2020.org/english-versions/


English Transcript:

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Dr. Heiko Schöning:
Dear fellow citizens,
Welcome to the ACU, the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee. If Parliament does not do
it, we, the citizens, are called upon to do it ourselves.
As the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, we will investigate why these restrictive
measures were imposed upon us in our country as part of CoVid-19, why people are suffering now
and whether there is proportionality of the measures to this disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
We have serious doubts that these measures are proportionate. This needs to be examined, and
since the parliaments – neither the opposition parties nor the ruling parties – have not convened a
committee and it is not even planned, it is high time that we took this into our own hands. We will
invite and hear experts here in the Corona speaker group. These are experts from all areas of life:
medicine, social affairs, law, economics and many more.
Well-known experts have already agreed to be part of it. In addition to the speaker group, my
colleague Prof. HADITSCH and my colleague Dr. SCHIFFMANN, I would also like to introduce myself.
My name is Heiko SCHÖNING, I’m an ordinary doctor from Hamburg. My personal motivation is that I
am a father, like many others in this country who have children. And we see that our children are
suffering now, not just because the playgrounds have been closed, but because they are separated.
And it's worse for the adults.
We ask ourselves: Why are people no longer allowed to visit their parents in retirement homes? Is
there such a great risk of infection? Do we really have a killer virus here? Do we have rabies or do we
have the plague? We have serious doubts that this is the case! We do not have the plague! What
really helps us in this context is decency and honesty, as the famous Nobel Prize winner Albert
CAMUS already expressed in his wonderful book "The Plague". We want to make sure that the ACU,
the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, is based on honesty and transparency.
This is why experts – such as Prof. BHAKDI from medicine, Prof. OTTE from business, or legal expert
Prof. JUNGBLUT, and many, many others who have already agreed – will get together in this
committee. And of course, we also invite all experts from the government, the public institutes, the
Robert Koch Institute, and certainly international experts as well. We will guarantee transparency. All
expert statements will be broadcast live, without editing, you can watch it all on the Internet. We are
going to set up a website, and of course we will need more resources for that. Therefore, please
support this citizens’ request, this ACU citizens' initiative.
What will be the ideal outcome? We will see that we do not have to be more afraid than the last few
years with normal flu waves, because this is exactly how this one seems to be. Then why were these
drastic measures taken?
According to an internal report from the Federal Ministry of the Interior, 90% of all necessary
operations in Germany were not carried out, which affected 2.5 million people. This report also
writes that there are or will be 5,000 to 125,000 deaths resulting from these government measures.
These are human beings, fellow citizens who have already died or are still dying. This report was
dated May 7, 2020. This is also the reason why we are now taking this Corona investigation into our
own hands because we can no longer wait.
And it is more than grossly negligent that government agencies do not disclose these things and, as it
seems, orchestrate them, because the scientific data already shows that there is no basis for these
measures. We all ask ourselves – of course also in business, but this is mainly about human lives –
who benefits? That’s a question we will also try to find answers to. Cui bono? Who benefits?
Thank you very much for all your support so far. We look forward to more resources and your
cooperation. Again, we invite everyone, including the other side, to speak here, it will be posted
transparently on the Internet. And of course, we are also available for a press conference. We
therefore ask the Federal Press Conference association to open the rooms for us and for the
international press. Thank you very much.
I now pass the word on to my colleague Dr. Bodo SCHIFFMANN.
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann:
Thank you very much, Mr. SCHÖNING,
Why is the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee necessary?
Because we are dealing with a lack of proportionality. Governments have to make decisions, and in
emergency situations – such as during a pandemic – they must also take measures that may
momentarily restrict fundamental rights. But they are also obliged to constantly verify these
measures and to lift them as quickly as possible to prevent collateral damage as mentioned by my
colleague Dr. SCHÖNING.
Instead, we receive out-of-context numbers, numbers that are only capable of fueling fear by simply
adding up cases of illness and not showing that there is a mismatch between the number of people
tested and those actually infected. Existing, well-functioning structures, such as the Infection
Protection Act, are simply suspended and replaced with something new, far more drastic. And the
only thing we hear from the government is the constant call for a vaccination for a disease that we
now know very well – through many international studies – that it is very comparable to flu diseases,
that the death rates are no higher than during strong flu waves and that the measures cannot be
justified. It is a terrifying ignorance where recognized international studies and experts from all fields
– virologists, bacteriologists, epidemiologists, or economists – are simply not heard or ignored. Even
worse, they are called liars, charlatans, or conspiracy theorists, which is likely to be the non-word of
the year 2020.
Instead, the government promotes a vaccination that can be highly dangerous, a vaccination without
medical necessity for lack of evidence. There is not even a sufficient number of people in Germany
getting sick to be tested for a vaccine. Plus, it is a new form of vaccination, a so-called RNA
vaccination, which, unlike previous vaccinations, is able to change the genetic code and can cause
undeniable damage to people. In this context, we also remember the medical principle "do no harm"
- "nihil nocere".
That is the job of the doctors, and here we also hope that more doctors will take part and think,
because we doctors should not harm the patients more than benefit them.
My motivation is my grandparents and my parents, who taught me that when I feel that fundamental
rights are being restricted, democracy is being restricted, the press is no longer a free press, but you
get the feeling that there is propaganda going on, when foreign opinions are censored, deleted, then
you have to take to the streets, then you have to be active, or you have to try, for example, to inform
the public, as we do with a Corona inquiry committee. Because, of course, there is always the risk
that power corrupts and that, at some point, politicians stop seeing things with the right measure
and aim.
I started seeing a risk of losing democracy, and every day I see more and more efforts to turn our free
and democratic constitutional system into a surveillance state, with mind control, surveillance apps
and the like, under the guise of infection protection laws.
The best case scenario is that there is a complete, legal clarification of the background of these
measures, which are out of proportion both from a scientific-medical and human point of view, that
those responsible are also held accountable, and that situations such as the swine flu, where
vaccinations left people with vaccine damage for a disease that should not have been vaccinated, are
not repeated! And all measures that have been taken must be scaled back, because they have been
developed against the backdrop of horror scenarios that have never happened and that are still held
up to spread fear among the population of a deadly disease that does not exist in this form. And at
best, of course, it will be established – and this has to be done – that the lockdown and the mask
requirement must be ended immediately. At a time when there were no more cases of illness,
wearing a mask in doctor's offices was made compulsory on May 29 of this year.
Today is June 20, 2020. 14 days ago, we had large mass demonstrations against racism in 20 major
German cities, with more than 20,000 participants. If this virus in this form were actually still
rampant in Germany with this infection rate, we would have to see a massive increase in the number
of infections today. This is not the case.
This proves that the measures can no longer be justified.
Thank you very much.
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Dr. Schoening:
Thank you Mr. SCHIFFMANN,
I would like to emphasize once again that what we are doing here is absolutely not related to any
party, it is not about right or left, it is not about thick or thin or man or woman. This is about life and
death for many, about quality of life for adults, and also for our children. This is our main motivation,
also for future generations, to face up to the circumstances we have been exposed to in recent
months.
We citizens must regain our sovereignty and we also claim the right to do so, because we have this
right. We stand on the foundation of the Basic Constitutional Law. The Basic Constitutional Law,
which I’m holding in my hand, has a wonderful article, article 20, paragraph 4: “Everyone has the
right to resist if no other measures remedy the situation”.
Maybe we can also look at this Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee as a last resort in the
hope that those in government, who have also sworn an oath not to harm people but to help them,
the people who also defend our country, that we remind all of them – civil servants, officers, doctors,
yes, all fellow citizens are called upon to take part in this. And the dire circumstances, which we are
all experiencing, we can see it in the streets, we experience it in our families and also personally with
our friends and relatives, need to be dealt with by us.
And I’m also glad that we don’t just have the German perspective, but that we can also bring an
international perspective into the process. And that’s why I’m also pleased to have in this circle of
speakers, the ACU, the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, a real expert on this topic,
Professor HADITSCH from Austria.
Here you go.
Prof. Haditsch:
Yes, thank you very much and Hello to everyone.
Dear Mr. SCHÖNING, it is a great honor for me and, to be honest, also a heartfelt concern for me to
be part of the ACU, the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee.
At the factual level, we have to ask ourselves: why is this inquiry committee necessary in the first
place?
This investigation is necessary because inappropriate decisions have been made irresponsibly from
the outset, either grossly negligently or deliberately, without the necessary duty of care, that is to say
without even the slightest consideration for collateral damage – decisions that have also undermined
fundamental democratic rights and trampled all over ethical duties.
There has obviously also been an attempt to compensate for blatant misconduct, such as the neglect
of those in need of protection – and I would like to remind you of the people in retirement homes –
by means of draconian, untargeted measures, perhaps in order to avoid having to justify this
misconduct as well, at least to divert attention from these problems.
Whether this was done unintentionally, i.e. based on ignorance, or intentionally, i.e. based on
questionable motives, is basically irrelevant in the end. In any case, the decision makers disqualify
themselves.
In view of the scope of the decisions made, both options described above must necessarily be
subjected to a detailed review, and, based on the experience with the extremely one-sided
presentation by politics and state broadcasters, or the state media, this can ultimately only be done
by an independent, i.e. extra-parliamentary, corona inquiry committee.
My personal motivation for participating in this is basically that I am a specialist in microbiology,
virology, and infection epidemiology, and that, from a professional point of view, I am deeply
appalled by the completely unobjective, unprofessional approach in this matter.
Some people will now wonder what I mean by “unobjective, unprofessional approach”. What I mean
by this includes the basically ongoing sketching of worst case scenarios, fear-mongering, and creation
of inappropriate comparisons, also in the media. For example, just think of this excruciating
catchword "Italian conditions", which was at best true for some Northern Italian regions, while the
Southern Italian regions – which are normally poorer and worse off – coped with the whole thing
without any major problems.
Inappropriate, eye-catching depictions of threatening trends, which in practice never materialized,
and, with proper assessment from the start, given the quality of the health care system in Germany,
could never have occurred in this way.
But I’m also a trained general practitioner, and, above all as a doctor, I could no longer tolerate this
approach contemptuous to health and human beings, as it is in stark contrast to the professional
understanding and ethics of all of us. This permanent fear or panic mongering, the resulting
psychological and social damage to be expected, the gigantic medical and economic collateral
damage, and last but not least, the massive interventions in all our cultural lives and cohabitation,
are, in my opinion as a holistically oriented physician, reason and motivation enough to stand up and
fight this insanity.
In view of the disaster, the scope of which can currently not be assessed at all, it seems necessary,
with due respect, of course, but unambiguously, to press for an objective assessment of these
decisions and to hold the decision-makers accountable in the event of proven misconduct.
The question for this inquiry committee is, of course, also: what can we expect, what is the best-case
scenario?
In my view, that all citizens, at least all medical colleagues – after all, they should all feel committed
to the Hippocratic way of thinking, the slogan "nihil nocere", i.e. not to do any harm – and that
everyone informs themselves also beyond all those media in line with government policies, asks
critical questions and does plausibility checks. And then it will become clear that Bergamo is not Italy,
Ischgl is not Austria, New York is not the USA, and a carnival party in Heinsberg, an apartment
building in Göttingen and slaughterhouses, wherever they may be, are not Germany.
It should also become visible for all,
- that the German health care system has never even been close to running the risk of
decompensating, i.e. being overburdened;
- that measurement figures, such as the doubling rate and this dreadful number “R 0”, had the
primary purpose of creating fear and putting pressure on the population, and were
communicated in an unobjective and manipulative way for lack of reference to the number
of tests carried out;
- that false and untrustworthy fatality figures have been misused for intimidation purposes;
- that the number of cases was already significantly declining well before the lockdown;
- that a general mask-wearing obligation ordered 4 weeks later, I repeat 4 weeks later, was
factually unfounded, unlawful and psycho-socially irresponsible;
- that the incorrigible sticking to measures and already refuted statements, i.e. against better
knowledge and proven evidence, is a criminal offence in this context; and
- that ultimately a drastic change in the party-political decision-making structures is overdue
because this is the only way to reliably prevent this anti-democratic approach from being
continued or repeated.
I deeply wish the ACU, the Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, all the best for an
objective examination of all these conflict issues. Good luck.
Dr. Schöning:
Thank you very much, Prof. HADITSCH.
I would like to conclude by emphasizing once again why we are already setting up this ACU, the
Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, at this point. We don’t want to wait for the
parliaments or others, who at some point may come later in the future, because the pressure is on
now. People are suffering now, and many people have already been injured, some have even lost
their lives. Just as it was predicted in the internal report of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.
People have died because of the government measures! And that is obviously not proportionate.
Another reason why it is so urgent, that we have to take it into our own hands now, especially when
no one else is doing it who might be more called upon, is a circumstance that I would like to mention
again. All over the world, there are people whose heart stops beating. Everyone has a 100% risk that
at some point their heart will stop beating.
The good news is, it is possible to revive, to resuscitate, and there is a guideline on how to do it. And
this guideline was changed internationally at the beginning of April, and in that course, it was also
changed in Germany. And this guideline, you have to imagine that, now says, "because of the high
risk of infection with CoVid-19 and the high damage that could be caused by it" mouth-to-mouth
resuscitation should now no longer be performed, just imagine that. You should now put a cloth over
your mouth. This means that many, many more people in the world will die now, because it is
scientifically proven that if you press and provide mouth-to-mouth, many more people survive. And
that way, excess mortality is produced for statistics. We have to reverse this resuscitation guideline.
Because, as we can actually see, and as we will be able to prove comprehensively in this inquiry
committee, we do not have the plague or the killer virus. This is good news!
But we really must ask ourselves: Why is it the way it is? Why are these measures in place? Who
benefits?
We don't want to wait until we, our friends and our relatives suffer personal and physical damage.
We have to work together now!
And I can only invite you, because we are not backed by a corporation or media corporation, any rich
people, or foundations. The better we are equipped with resources, the more professionally and
faster we can do this work, also internationally. We will also publish our work in several languages to
the best of our ability. Everyone is invited to help us out here, in the best public spirit. And therefore,
I thank you very, very much for all the support you have given us this far.
Thank you very much.

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English Transcript:

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ServusTV
Talk in Hangar 7
Topic: Corona-Summer. Vacation without recreation?
From 16.07.2020 (Sections of the complete video)
Abbreviations: MF = Herr Fleischhauer (Moderator, AT), HS = Heiko Schöning (Doctor, Germany),
TH = Herr Thun-Hohenstein (Psychiatrist, AT), AR = Andreas Reiter (Sociologist, tourism researcher, AT),
HL = Hera Lind (Writer, Germany + AT)
MF: Good evening and welcome to the talk in hangar 7.
Should you rather spend your vacation in Austria or abroad? And how
is traveling safe in times of the corona pandemic? Many are currently facing these
questions, because while some warn of a carefree vacation, others consider the
concerns and safety requirements to be severely exaggerated. At the same time, the
tourism industry needs every euro. What does all this mean for this summer?
We are now discussing this with the medical doctor Heiko Schöning, with the child and
adolescent psychiatrist and member of the Corona task force, Leonhard ThunHohenstein, with the writer Hera Lind, with the hotel manager Petra NockerSchwarzenbacher and with the tourism researcher Andreas Reiter. Welcome! (…)
Mister Schöning, you can hear from Ms. Lind that she means that whoever is going
abroad and celebrating right now is somehow acting irresponsibly and risking an
aggravation of the pandemic and those who stay at home somehow have understood
the seriousness of the situation. Is it really that clear?
HS: No, it is not clear, it is quite the opposite, so as a doctor and as a dry scientist I have to
say, all scientific and medical data say the same thing worldwide, we need not be afraid
of this virus SARS-Cov 2, that causues COVID 19, it's no more dangerous than a
normal, seasonal flu.
MF: Neither here nor elsewhere?
HS: Exactly, neither here nor anywhere else, and that is exactly the reason why we
founded an association with over 500 doctors and over 2,000 supporters and we say
very clearly that the measures are excessive. And the good news is that we can
actually live, relax and live really well, especially in this beautiful country ...
MF: So does that mean that all of these travel warnings are senseless, useless and
exaggerated, in your opinion?
HS: Unfortunately yes. And very, very much fear has been fueled and there is no scientific
basis for it.
MF: This means that, to make it clear, you would advise everyone to travel wherever he or
she wants to go.
HS: Yes, in any case …
MF: ... but with certain restrictions
HS: Clearly yes, of course. Of course you always have to see it individually, how you feel
about it, if you are of course 80 years old and have several illnesses, then you are of
course a risk patient and then you have to see that, of course, and then you can also
see someone like that - I say – can of course also die from a flue-like virus. But that's
also very rare, but otherwise you can strengthen your immune system by having a nice
time on vacation, by having fun, yes, by enjoying it.
MF: But I mean all the big bathing Zones... So we got to know this in winter in Ischgl or now
also in Mallorca, there are many reports, you don't think that is a problem because
there are only the young, the stable, the immune strong are on the move - right?
HS: I think that's a problem for completely different reasons, so if you drink too much
alcohol, like on Ballermann, you damage your immune system. But I mean, most
people go on family vacations, they enjoy nature, they enjoy the mountains, I come
from the sea, yes, I can only advise everyone to take a deep breath, to really check the
facts and to calm down and just to see what's really going on.
MF: "Fact checking" is a good keyword. Mr. Thun-Hohenstein, as I said, you are a child and
adolescent psychiatrist and you are also on the advisory board, I believe that is correct,
the Task Force in the Ministry of Health. Mr. Schöning has already asked what
scientific knowledge is based on the government's recommendation that vacationing in
Austria is safer than anywhere else.
TH: This is a whole collection of different works that have been published in the last few
months, in various scientific journals, and by which the entire task force, which
discusses all these topics in a very lively and very intensive manner, is based, of
course, because the knowledge of the virus is still relatively low. It is very contradictory
in terms of symptoms, it is contradictory in the different numbers that exist, and in this
respect the risk assessment has largely been political. The task force is one, an
advisory body, where the minister asks his questions and says: "How do you see that?"
And then everyone, the various specialists, the virologists, the epidemiologists, the Niki
Popper answer with his calculations. And from this, the minister takes with him what he
bases his decision on.
MF: The health minister is in this case, as far as the vacation is concerned, which we are
discussing today, the travel warnings are an essential point, which the Foreign Ministry
issues. Did you advice the Foreign Ministry from the advisory board? Do you think
these travel warnings make sense?
TH: Now that's a question of whether you look at them how you look at them, yes. On the
one hand, there are the numbers, they are still in a relatively passable level, you can
also discuss, I can understand to a certain extent that one says ...
HS: Thank you!
TH: ... yes, it is the same as with influenza, which can also be used as an example. The
problem is that the disease that we have now is not so clearly understood as it occurs,
how you get infected, or regarding the routes of infection that we know, we know that
there are a few high-risk zones, that you have to avoid. There is the closest possible
contact over a longer period of time, there is this aerosol formation, which then ...
MF: That's why my question follows ... also because of the travel warnings, if that is the
case, and hardly anyone will have any doubt about it, then it's actually not the question
of where you are, but how you behave , regardless of location.
TH: I believe that is also what the Federal Minister always means by his
Statement, it is about personal responsibility, and I see it that way, it is about the
responsibility of everyone to act in such a way that they do not harm themselves and
others, and everyone must decide for themselves to what extent they will do so.
MF: But if the travel warnings are clear now that he says you shouldn't go there, that's more
dangerous, you'd better stay here.
TH: I'm not the foreign minister, and I don't know what number that is based on ...
HS: But psychiatrist . . .
TH: Yes, for child and adolescent psychiatry and that's why I'm sitting in there ...
MF: Yes, yes, but you will also notice everything else if ...
TH: ... and the epidemiologists and virologists are very concerned that this, the ratio of the
contagion jumps, and there is this key figure, this one to something, and if this goes
beyond a certain level and then this diversification marker is very low, then does that
mean that one infects very, very many, there are figures that about 20% of those
infected are responsible for the remaining 80% infected ...
MF: This is again independent from the location ...
TH: This is partly location-independent, but not, not entirely. There are a few studies that,
for example, on certain ships, the infection rate is much higher because there are
closed rooms and closed societies and there ...
MF: There is a warning about cruises and not so much about individual countries ...
TH: Exactly. It is also clearly stated that cruises should not take place now. I think that's
clear, and the individual countries depend a bit on it ... You saw it at the tennis event, if
people don't pay attention, then they get infected.
MF: But that could have happened in Kitzbühel as well as in Belgrade.
TH: Could have been ... obviously the measures in Kitzbühel, the distance
a little better than in Belgrade
MF: It wasn't the tournament, but rather the party afterwards. And parties, perhaps the key
word, Mr. Reiter, is it just that vacations make everyone act carelessly and that this is
the problem?
(…)
MF: But that actually means, Mr. Schöning, that we actually have to suffer from something
like a global anxiety disorder ...
HS: Haha, you really put it very, very nicely. I learned, now yes, every fifth euro is earned in
Austria with tourism, but behind it there are people, also what you say correctly, behind
these numbers are people, that's exactly what it is about when you say you have 77%
Loss made, then of course there are people with you, and thank you for saying it again,
that it is a panic and yes, our insider, the medical colleague, Mr. Thun-Hohenstein, has
it actually just said: we have no reliable data on this disease COVID-19. We have
"doctors for enlightment", you said awareness, yes, we founded an association,
“Doctors for enlightment”, we also say that we have over 500 doctors and over 2,000
supporters. There are more and more every day, and we also say that there is no good
basis, and as you said, it was a political decision to do it anyway. On the one hand, we
have no evidence that we have a killer virus there, but on the other hand, there are
facts that the global economy is actually being shut down
(...)
MF: But maybe we can anyway, the topic is an occasion, but, but from the military trucks in
Bergamo back to the present, because our current behavior and what happens or does
not happen this summer, yes, pretty much has to do with fear and this, this global
anxiety disorder where sir
Schöning said "Yes, this is it" You are a child and adolescent psychiatrist, but I assume
that you are also somewhat familiar with fear in general, can that be said?
TH: Yes. It is clear that fear plays a major role here and there are many fears. During the
lockdown, the various governments were very afraid of causing a disaster or
experiencing through the disease. That was obvious, you had the numbers from
Wuhan, you got ... the first numbers were extremely exciting and it was really dramatic
as it was described, it was the numbers from Italy, it was the pictures, it was the Ischgl
Situation. The situation that brought politics into action, they had to act, and they acted
in a very rapid manner, and of course this rapid type has side effects, that is perfectly
clear. On the one hand, the side effects are that the shutdown was a measure that
people had to stay at home, more or less voluntarily. And there are many studies
showing that quarantine and also the loneliness that results from quarantine, which can
of course lead to anxiety disorders, depression, post-traumatic disorders, and that this
lockdown in itself also affects mental health which can raise approximately 30%. We do
not yet know if this will be so, in adult psychiatry I am already experiencing that there is
a huge run, in child psychiatry it is just beginning again that the ...
MF: That they might be a bit more resilient ... But I still want stay again ... as we are always
right back in the past, stay with fear, with the future. In the Carinthian tourist hotspots,
there is a mask requirement in the evening, in the Salzkammergut you have to wear a
mask when you go to the shop, when you enter a restaurant, there are strict rules on
distance, early curfew, so the fear is still there, although that Infection events are in a
fairly moderate range and, above all, even if the infection rate increases, on the
contrary, you notice that the hospitalization and death rate does not increase, that
means, more infections do not mean at all ...
TH: However…
MF: So being sick doesn’t mean hospitalization anymore, it’s been a few weeks now, which
means there’s still some fear in it, which we could now say with common sense, it’s
actually unnecessary.
TH: Yes and no. Both, both directions, so you can say yes is unnecessary because the
numbers are not that high, you could say on the other side, that this corona virus
showed us something that was actually always there, that we are exposed to a wide
variety of pathogens, continuously, and that this is by no means unjustified. For
example, I'm someone who loves traveling, to Vietnam, Ethiopia, God knows where,
and I actually always did it relatively blue-eyed ... I got my travel vaccinations and then
I drove without paying to much attention. I recently looked at the pictures from the trip
to Ethiopia and thought that I could no longer do that with today's knowledge of this
route of infection, that is ...
HS: But that's not true, no more people have died than before.
TH: No, no, the ...
HS: It hasn't gotten more dangerous ...
AR: The pictures are in the head ...
TH: The pictures are in your head, and it is the fact that the world is full of infections, this
fact has become much more conscious, and it has always been like this, and that has
become more conscious.
HS: Right.
MF: Is that really an advantage?
TH: I am not saying that this is an advantage, I am saying that it is a reality, and this reality
is much more conscious for all of us, and therefore the politicians react, obviously with
more concern, because they would be accused if they were careless. Of course, the
people react to it with fear, because here they experience reactions that come from
politicians, where they say, they have to know, and if they say so, then I will behave
that way. However, we are currently experiencing the exact opposite in the
phenomenon that people overwhelm all concerns and fear no longer matters, and that
they just go out celebrating, that they enjoy life, yes, and that is it up to a certain extent
totally understandable and a good thing, but I think that the responsibility of the
individual is now back to zero.
(…)
HS: You are absolutely right, it is about proportionality, and I would also like to ask my
medical colleague in your area: Domestic violence due to lockdown, what percentage
more child abuse has there been in Austria? You probably know the number also that
about 25% more suicides have been committed in the lockdown period ...
TH: So not in child psychiatry ...
HS: So that people died who voluntarily committed more suicide. How much was domestic
violence among children?
TH: Domestic violence has not yet been recorded in Austria, as far as the effects really are
concerned, the advice centers, which are freely accessible, have said that they have
had higher demands, about 80 to 100% more than ...
HS: 80 to 100 percent ...
TH: ... were the requests. The extent to which this has always been about domestic
violence is not traceable, or has not yet been published, so to speak. We ourselves had
set up a ... hotline in our ... and have ... our patients, video-assisted all the time, did not
immediately notice that there were more cases. We have already taken in some
children who have reacted most heavily to the Covid situation, no question. This is a
point that, I believe, has not yet been discussed, the side effects of this lockdown
situation ...
HS: Exactly ...
TH: There will certainly be a lot more to come, that's the way it is in surgery, in orthopedics,
in cardiology, that's the way it is in our field, the side effects, we will probably only see
in autumn or later ...
HS: We have figures for Germany, in Germany we have for example, there is an internal
report from the Federal Ministry of the Interior, I will only say it briefly, it is 90% of the
necessary operations, in March and April, which were not performed in Germany and
that affected 2.5 million people, and according to experts who advised this Federal
Ministry, 5,000 to 125,000 people deceases ...
MF: But that's a wide range ...
HS: Right, and you can download the original paper from aerzte-fuer-aufklaerung.de. But
again to the children, because they are suffering especially again. Can you go there
with the politics that you are advising if you say there is now 100% more likely domestic
violence against children ...
TH: There were 100% more calls to the advice centers, so please be careful, yes ...
HS: But we see an increase there, we see that there too. Can you not see then that this is
not proportionate, and that then these measures, which, as you say, are not carried out
politically, can you not influence if you are an advisor to the Minister of Health?
TH: I tried, I'm the only psychologist in the group…
HS: Yes ...
TH: ... and tried to bring in these things ...
MF: There are indeed, there are actually serious assessments by experts who say that
there is a not a small probability that the number of fatalities, due to collateral damage,
will also result in mortality over the years that is at least as high as the number killed by
Covid-19, and then of course there is a dramatic question of proportionality or not?
TH: The question is whether this will be true. You'll see that next year when the statistics
come out to see if these numbers are really as they were supposed to be. You will see
that, it is very important to discuss this too, so that if a higher wave comes again and
politics decides again, so to speak, a lockdown, so that the measures that are taken
are then, that they do not cause this collateral damage. For example, my department, I
will definitely not go down to the level that was stipulated to us, because that didn't
make sense ...
MF: It is not a good thing ... I would now like to come back to the present. We are now
discussing a lot about the measures of the past and whether they were appropriate at
all, that is always an important discussion, but now again in the present ... And now an
industry is trying that is particularly important in Austria because it is almost all in all
contributes 20% to, quasi to national income. And there are now measures and the
question is, which measures, safety precautions that are now in place, are affecting the
business? You say it's actually not that bad, and which are not? So how should you
deal with it and still this fear from the past plays a big role, how do you get over it?
(...)
HS: And that's exactly what the madness is, you just brought that up in the video-clip: A
corona case means that everything is lying idle. This destroys the economy and
destroys the people behind it, again in proportion to normal seasonal flu, because
that's the good news that luckily no more people die. We have no killer virus, we have
no rabies, we have no plague, yes, that's great, and I was just able to get to know your
likeable husband, who said that your son is also a medical colleague and woke up with
it: "Man, that's not like that at all!" Yes, the facts are not there, and those are the people
who are suffering behind all these things. And you just have to ask yourself if this is
scientifically not proportionate, who actually benefits from it?
MF: May I now be specific again, that is, what should happen if there is a positive test in a
house?
HS: Yes, what should happen then ... Just like in a normal flu case, take a little rest, cure
yourself ...
MF: But only the individual ...
HS: Yes, of course, the individual may be...
MF: And would you say you shouldn't test the individual at all?
HS: We don't need to test, because the tests are so bad, yes, they do not make sense for
the whole population. The tests anyway in no case ... The tests are so bad that at the
moment, there are those who are newly infected, we have very few of them and that
they can be false positives. That means we have practically no infection at all.
Unfortunately, that is a fact.
(…)
MF: That's what I wanted to ask, you advise the Ministry of Health and we had the special
representative for health here last week and I have already asked him and I would like
to ask you now, regardless of the test quality, the fact that a positive test means that a
genetic material has been found, that is to say that the living virus actually does not yet
exist in this organism, it does not necessarily mean that it can infect others, at least it is
said not that someone is ill. On the website of the Federal Ministry of Health it is
shown, with everyone who tested positive, they are considered being sick, isn't that
really negligent misinformation?
TH: Hm, hm, so negligent, it is a possibility of interpretation, it is the problem that we cannot
ascertain who of the positive test persons is actually sick, because you are not there,
you don't get the time at all. If you have a mild course and you are sitting at home ...
HL: But he is immediately contagious, the positive test is immediately contagious ...
TH: Not 100 percent, but the likelihood is very high that he ... and it also appears that there
are very different infectivities, some people are super spreaders and infect many and
some obviously nobody or only a few and that's why what the government is now doing
this contact tracing, I think, provided that the numbers on which it does it, are correct
and the numbers that are available are used for it, and from China, from Brazil,
America, there are relatively clear numbers everywhere that prove this quite well, so it
makes sense to limit this epidemic. I would see it the other way round, I would say why
don't we do the same with other diseases. And you could think about it in the fall ... The
vaccination rate of influenza is relatively low and the death rate is relatively high. Why
don't you do it there too? I would rather draw the opposite conclusion and would say:
"Hey guys be careful, we actually have to do that with influenza too." So in terms of
health policy it would be the more sensible option than to say: "Let's get everything
done!"
(…)
HS: That's why we can't repeat that with another vaccination. That is actually completely
wrong, what you just said, because we cannot repeat this for adenoviruses, for
rhenoviruses, for flu viruses, can we? If we would repeat that every time, we would
destroy the economy again and again and again, destroy people. It is overacted with
COVID-19, with others too. We just have to see that and we have to ask ourselves who
really benefits from it.
MF: Do you have an answer?
HS: Yes, we are currently, we have set up an extra-parliamentary corona investigation
committee, also with the Austrian colleague who was already here, with Professor
Martin Hadditsch, a proven expert in the field of microbiology, virology, infectiology, yes,
and this extra-parliamentary corona investigation committee, we had to do it because
the parliament in Germany, just like in Austria, doesn't do its job, they don't investigate
it. You said correctly that we are now having the biggest economic crisis here,
knowingly, and under which pretence? We don't have anything else, and we need to
investigate that and we are in the process of doing so, we have made a start, we have
translated it into eight languages, acu2020.org, and we are now hearing experts, such
as Professor Franz Ruppert, who says exactly that especially in children, this mask that
is worn, is what traumatizes the children.
MF: But let's stick to what Mr. Reiter said, and that plays in there, and ... What makes
sense? You already spoke of personal responsibility beforehand. Does it make sense
to somehow make people clear what their risks are, that it is a health risk or several
risks, has already been mentioned. Or does it make sense to react with bans and
punishments?
TH: Well, in principle it is better to motivate people and get by without penalties and
prohibitions. In principle, this is the more successful way and there are also studies that
this is the case even with quarantine measures when people voluntarily go into
quarantine, it’s not as harmful as if you’re forced to quarantine. So in principle it can be
said, from a psychiatric perspective, that voluntariness ...
MF: But we are doing it differently in Austria, we are talking about the fact that if you violate
this obligation to wear a mask on public transport, you have to expect fines.
TH: Yes, there is a certain political side that wants it that way, it is not my understanding of
democracy that I will be punished for it. I...
MF: You don't think that's right?
TH: I don't think that's right.
(…)
HS: But then we'll do it very specifically, especially for the future of tourism in Austria it is
also the case that family tourism is a very important mainstay, isn't it? And the children,
if the children are not happy, then neither are the parents, and, Mr Thun-Hohenstein, I
saw a publication on your website that shocked me, I have to honestly say. You have a
children's guide on your website salk.at, illstrated with bunnies, with which you want to
explain the corona crisis. And this is exactly where this false narrative is in, which
prevents all tourism and which also really damages the children. The original says, yes:
A big wave of illness has broken out in the bunny country behind the big mountains and
the reason is the corona virus. It's in there and that's exactly the wrong narrative, and I
don't understand that you write it and that you like to share it, because we don't have a
big wave of illness, not from coronaviruses and not from others, but why are you
spreading this?
TH: Because the facts are simple, because we have a lot of sick people, because we ...
HS: But we no longer have sufferers ...
TH: Excuse me, but it is clear that ... Excuse me, but our hospital was quite full of corona
sufferers and there were also some corona deaths. Well, it's not that it doesn't exist.
And so it was clear that in the beginning, that was before Easter this story, at that time
the topic was, how do we explain the situation to children in a child-friendly way and
which is now international. And then a mother made this book to her child and made it
available to us that we can use it for young children so that we can explain to them
what this whole corona topic, that the adults are discussing is about. And that works
wonderfully, the children understand it very well, and it's a fairy tale ...
HS: But don't you traumatize people, it also says: "Papa, do we all have to die now?" ...
TH: Then I have to ask you to read fairy tales, fairy tales are one of the most important
sources of development for children, and in them there is murder, everything is done,
but they usually end well. And even in this case, this fairy tale ends well because the
coronavirus is gone in the end and they are all allowed to come back together, which
means it is quite clear that at some point there will come a time when the disease is
over and everything will be fine is. And that's the message
of a fairy tale ...
HS: But the beginning is like "The Emperor's New Clothes" because you say at the
beginning, “because there was a big wave of illnesses behind the big mountains”, and
that is wrong. There is no big wave of illnesses ...
TH: That's not wrong ... The wave of diseases was big enough to paralyze the whole world.
So either the whole world is crazy ... well, Mister Schöning, either the whole world is
crazy or who else? You can't ... I can't understand your attitude, given the 100,000
deaths around the world. I can't just say there is no such thing.
HS: I didn't say that there wasn't ...
TH: Yes, yes, you said yes, here there are no infections, you just said ...
HS: I didn't ... wait ... and you have to be very careful, I never said, no infections, but there
are not that number of deaths ...
TH: It's not in the book ...
HS: These infections do not exist ... There is a wonderful book called "Corona - Fehlalarm?"
(Corona-False-Alarm?) By Professor Bhakdi and Professor Reiss, it contains all the
facts. That is why we are in an association together and publish other things, and there
is simply no such narrative. It's like "The Emperor's New Clothes", right, the little child
says: "Oh, the Emperor is naked." And this is what we have here, too.
MF: Now we're going back to the present, namely the regulations that apply everywhere. It
does not only concern Austria, but it is also the question, how do other countries
actually deal with the corona risk on vacation and which rules apply in the vacation
institutions to which the Austrians who are leaving this year will travel? Here is a brief
overview.
(Video-Clip)
MF: Mr. Schöning, do you really think that all of the measures we have just seen are
exaggerated and unnecessary?
HS: Yes, as the colleague said at the beginning, it is a political decision and the measures
are excessive. All in all, the scientific data just don't serve it, and that's what more and
more scientists are saying. In Germany we have only one or two experts, Mr. Drosten
and Mr. Wieler, and I think you have a similar situation in Austria, so I can only advise
everyone to strengthen you your immune system, you travel, you breathe deeply, right?
Take this mask off ...
(…)
MF: But you could still think of it the other way around, Mr. Thun-Hohenstein, I wanted to
ask you, when tourists go to classical countries today, Turkey, Croatia, on vacation,
they are more or less on empty beaches, while here, when everyone in Austria is on
vacation at the lakes, all Austrians get rich Frolicking on the lakes, as you have seen in
the last few weeks, isn't it not actually better from a medical point of view to drive to
Croatia or Greece to the empty beaches than to the full lakes in Austria?
TH: The question is how to get there. If you're in the crowded plane, that's still unsafe ...
And the question is whether you'll be back. So, I mean, that's ... If there's a nice, empty
beach, it's perfect, then you should enjoy it, that would be great ...
MF: I think that interests a lot of people, as we have two doctors here, is it really, is that,
now compared to the tram, to the train, is the plane really that dangerous?
TH: Well, as far as I know from the literature, the plane is less dangerous because it has an
airflow, because it goes from top to bottom, and that, so to speak, when there is a
balance ...
HS: This is purely speculative ... There is no comparative study, right, it is like this on the
plane, the air circulates there, and everyone gets it, if you have made such a long-haul
flight, you can tell, many people realize that they are getting a cold, well, why? Is it
colder there? No, but the air is drier. What you should actually take would be nose oil ...
TH: Because the nose dries up ...
HS: Exactly, in order to then take a deep breath so that the mucous membranes are
moistened. That would be appropriate measures, but not just these restrictive
measures that restrict our fundamental rights.
TH: Yes, the problem is the proximity of your neighbor. If it is true that a time over 15
minutes and close proximity increases the infection rate, then the plane is not ...
HS: You always have the wrong narrative. There is no killer virus, yes, we have no mortality,
luckily. We have to ask where from ...
TH: It will only be seen whether we have no mortality, we in Germany and Austria do not
have it because our governments have reacted briskly, but wait and see what is in
Brazil and America, there it will probably be a mortality give…
HS: No, the data showed that, and that is also in the book by Professor Bhakdi, also
"Corona - false alarm?", Quite often ...
TH: The numbers don't exist yet ...
HS: Of course, they do, and as the lockdown came, the numbers were already down. The
lockdown came later, so this is not tenable ...
MF: I'm so annoying and again I'm going from the past to the present or even to the future.
It is such a topic that came up now, this vacation situation and when it is all over with
traveling that we import re-infection events, so to speak. There have been a number of
cases recently with people returning from the Western Balkans, in this case what is
really right, would it not have been more consistent to close the borders again?
TH: That ... probably not from an infectious point of view and certainly not from a political
point of view. Yes, it is political, I think, that ... there is so much to the closing of the
borders that I think that this is not a good political measure. I also don't know if that was
correct during the whole lockdown situation. I am not so sure about that either, because
what it has brought was a certain dissolution of the European idea and I think it is quite
a problem this happened, if it were up to me I avoid border closures if possible ...
MF: So either you send the people into quarantine or you release them and then you have
that ... you have to take care of the test if the rules ...
TH: For example, if this would be the case, it would be a possibility, I would say the test is a
snapshot, doesn't say anything about whether I'm basically infectious tomorrow, that's
a bit the problem ... It's one Safety measure, we do it too, we test our patients once a
week so that we have a certain degree of certainty, so to speak, that nobody has it. In
the fall we will probably also test the influenza, because two years ago we had a
massive influenza epidemic with us at the clinic, where we also had to do lockdown, we
also had to lock down the clinic and release the patients because of the influenza virus
...
HS: But you didn't shut down the economy there, it was exactly the same in Germany, there
was over-mortality two years ago, we had one
peak. Was the economy shut down, was tourism broken? No, and that's why we have
to tell people: "Now go to Austria, go to the mountains, go to the sea, relax, that
strengthens your immune system."
TH: But you must not forget that in this period where this ... It was a local phenomenon in
Germany and it did not affect the whole world. And now we have an infection that
affects the whole world and has taken on a completely different dimension than the
influenza infection two years ago.
MF: Do you think that this is realistic, or that one has to fear that this somehow, that this
vacation event, this summer event will lead to new waves of infection?
TH: Yes, I hope not, if it is going to be reasonably right-minded, at the moment it is leveling
around one hundred a day, and if it stays that way, I see no great danger.
MF: You don't have to take any major measures, in your opinion?
TH: Certainly not.
(Family vacation in Austria instead of Ballermann Mallorca)
TH: They are very different collectives, the family vacationers are the one and the ones on
the Ballermann, they are completely different people, so they are completely different
vacationers, and I think you have to see this, there is a world that is extremely
performance-oriented, there is an extreme need to cut loose at some point, and you
have to understand that in our world that is so strongly oriented towards performance
that people need valves somewhere. In this respect, these Ballermann facilities are
probably not that bad ...
(…)
TH: Yes, but where do people go with their emotions, that's the exciting question ...
(...)
MF: But vacation also has a lot to do with the individual, namely what it needs, and now we
are in a situation where the individual with his needs, where it is particularly challenged
in this performance and competitive society, it has to diminish, so to speak, in the
interest of a concern for society as a whole. It's not that easy either.
(All in all a summer of decrease)
MF: There was not so much joy with the summer of decrease ...
(…)
MF: Yes, the summer of decrease will look very different depending on the situation in life. I
hope that for you and of course for you here, ladies and gentlemen in the group, it will
be a good, great summer.
For today we are at the end of our time. I wish you a nice evening until next Thursday
at the "Talk in Hangar 7".

English Transcript:

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Interview between Jens Lehrich and Dr. Heiko Schöning
„Kurz nachgefragt“ on 30.06.2020
JL: We live in turbulent and moving times, the corona crisis poses great challenges for all
of us, but the corona crisis also offers great opportunities.
One of these chances is right here at this table, at Fairtalk-TV we want to offer a
format, a forum for people who have a different opinion, who see things differently in
the corona crisis, who are active, who have a vision for the future and I am very
happy about my guest, Heiko Schöning.
HS: Hm
JL: Hello Heiko, I greet you. We have known each other for many years and that's why
we said we would stay with being on a first name basis, because everything else
would be nonsense. You are a doctor, you come from Hamburg and you created an
organization in the corona crisis, which is called "Ärzte für
Aufklärung” (“Doctors for Enlightenment”). Can you explain to viewers what exactly
that is and - yes, what are your goals?
HS: First of all, many thanks for the invitation. Yes, in fact, I founded the "Ärzte für
Aufklärung" with a few colleagues, which is now an association of around 500 doctors
and around 1,000 supporters, from all health care professions, but many others as
well ... It is only a few weeks old and has been such a success. And of course, it's
about the topic, mostly, Corona.
JL: But how can it be that we now need such an association to deal with it? Are we not
well informed?
HS: Indeed, we are not well informed. I always say that we have leading media, they lead,
but, yes, we do, and I also think that a lot of others in the Federal Republic also think
that they are more likely to be misled and receive no balanced information. Mostly,
only a medical colleague is shown in the leading media ...
JL: So we're talking about Professor Drosten or Wieler from the RKI ...
HS: Yes, exactly, yes. Mr. Wieler is a veterinarian, Mr. Drosten is a human doctor and
virologist. But there is a lot, a lot more to say, around it, and a lot of information to
give, and that's why we are happy about the encouragement we have. We have set
up a website: ärzte-für-aufklärung.de, have posted interviews there, also gave other
information that we give in individual reports, so to speak, and, yes, we are also partly
on the street with the people and are invited to talks and give lectures.
JL: I've known you for a few years now, you invest a lot of time in it. Why?
HS: Yes, why is relatively easy, so it's actually a sense of responsibility. Not? Mainly, I'm a
father, I have two school-age children - that's a big point. I am a doctor, so - I say -
committed to the well-being of everyone, and what the doctor's oath expresses is a
very big point, which we also have on our website "Ärzte für
Aufklärung” in one updated form, the doctor's oath - that is the motivation, so to
speak. Yes.
JL: From your point of view, how did it get so far that we're at this point?
- that's how I also perceive it - that there is a big split among the medical
professionals in Germany when it comes to the subject of "corona"?
HS: Yes, I would not even speak of a split there, it is just that there are different levels of
information, and in particular also whoever is getting information from which sources
and it is always good to have both, so to speak the state radio of the public service
broadcasting authorities, but also alternative media that also allow people to speak,
who otherwise do not have a say.
And there we simply have a great chance on the Internet that we can
broadcasting now, that people can also watch and also get information, because what
they experience every day and ask themselves “Yes, what actually happens in our
country? "And ... there are real fates behind it, so relatives ask themselves" Why can't
I visit my parents in a nursing home? Why are necessary operations postponed?
Why are people harmed? ”In particular,“ Why is it not reviewed and discussed? ”
JL: In your opinion, what did the federal government do right? What did it do wrong?
HS: Yes, I think what it did right, it represents in sufficient form by itself. What it did not
do right, obviously, that says its own ministry, its own staff. And there is an internal
report from the Federal Ministry of the Interior, from a staff that is there especially for
crisis prevention, risk prevention. This department had a sitting, yes and there a
person also wrote an expert opinion, together with the advice, with many experts, not
an individual opinion, there accumulated a lot - and in the original text, which is also
available on our website in the original, can be downloaded there, it says in March
and April 2020 90% of the necessary operations, were not carried out or postponed,
90% of the necessary operations. And it also says literally "because of the
government measures, about 2.5 million people were not properly cared for" and
according to experts, this will cost the lives of between 5,000 and 125,000 patients.
So there it says:
100,000 to 125,000 patients in Germany have died or are about to die still die from
these measures now.
JL: So if I understand that correctly, the measures are the much bigger evil from your
point of view.
HS: Yes, indeed. This also coincides with the call that we put in there initially as "Ärzte für
Aufklärung". We "Ärzte für Aufklärung" criticize the measures in the course of
COVID-19 as excessive. We require transparent data BEFORE taking restrictive
measures and not afterwards. In short, first the evidence, then the measures and not
the other way round.
JL: But as a health minister or chancellor you don't have to react, if such a wave hits you,
can you really wait until you have this data? Corona could have been Ebola. At least
we know that it is not.
HS: Of course, sure, it could have been that way, right? So that's why you have to look at
the data very matter-of-factly, and the campaigns we have there are, so to speak, in
the media, but just as in politics ... Ultimately, it was assessed as if we had a kind of
killer virus as if we had the plague, as if we now had something new, a pathogen that
now costs life of a lot more people.
JL: But Mr. Drosten said in the Spiegel interview when asked, whether through the
politics, as it was carried out, whether it saved human lives, he said: "Yes, up to
100,000 people."
HS: Well, that's not the case. And if you look at the numbers very dryly, I can only say to
every responsible person in the Federal Republic:
"Just have a look at the numbers. Do we have such a killer virus, do we have the
plague? Do we have excess mortality, so are more people dying?
And now the Federal Statistical Office (Bundesamt für Statistik) in Wiesbaden has
published the mortality numbers for 2020. So from January through April we have the
numbers there, and they have also provided the last five years, and we see
cumulative, so summarized from January to April inclusive, 320,000 to 360,000
people die in Germany – unfortunately, that's always very tragic, of course. So that's
the area of the past five years. And now you have to ask yourself: "Good, and 2020,
is a high value of 360,000? Has something happened there, do we have to do
anything? And there we see: "No, the number for 2020 is 335,000. So we are right in
the middle. Quite simply, very clearly, we do not see any killer virus, we do not see
any increased danger – and these measures that we have, personally, economically,
psychologically, especially the children, very, very particularly also - the children - that
is absolutely disproportionate, and we criticize that.
JL: How can you explain that as a doctor? Without slipping into the conspiracy theories,
that happens very quickly these days.
HS: Yes, so I am, I try to soberly just give the numbers, right? So again: 320,000 to
360,000 people die in the months from January to April inclusive, and we now have
335,000, so we are just normal Medium. That's why I can't explain it medically. I can't
explain it with other things either, because if you say yes, that's because of the
measures, then you can clearly see the number of illnesses and infections has
absolutely decreased BEFORE this lockdown was in place, yes that's just a fact. In
that sense, no, I can't explain it medically at all, and that's one reason why so many
doctors dare to speak against public opinion, which is very, very difficult with this
public pressure. But we have around 500 doctors and about 50 doctors and
supporters come every day who also dare, sometimes even take to the streets, write
books, write articles and simply present these facts. And that's good news, we don't
need to be more scared than the past few years.
JL: We tried to do this here at Fair Talk TV, to invite doctors, we also invited Mr. Drosten,
we invited Mr. Kekoulé, we invited Mr. Streeck, we tried to establish a contact and
say, so to speak : "Let's talk to each other!" But we have only received rejections so
far, and we very much hope that this will change in the future, because I think only
about the conversation, about the understanding, we will become a better one in the
future and not to a worse society.
HS: Absolutely. Yes, and I just think it's a good thing that there is an opportunity to just let
people speak and listen, right?, you have to do that in the medical field too, take
people seriously, let them speak and also understand what is there … I mentioned it
earlier: we had around 100,000 deaths, yes, now threatening, only because of the
necessary operations that have not been carried out.
JL: And that's why you founded ACU, which is an "extra-parliamentary corona
Investigation committee".
HS: Yes, exactly!
JL: That sounds totally crazy ...
HS: Yes ...
JL: What is it and how is it supposed to work?
HS: It's actually just that, it's very logical. A lot of people, including in the media, have
already said: “What we need now is an investigation committee. Parliament should
have sat down long ago, the health committee, yes, or sometimes an initiative of the
opposition parties, if it actually existed, yes, and of course so many members of
parliament from the government parties that they said: "So, this one Thing that
affects our country, the people so much, that we examine it there - and that didn't
happen. And that is not even in the planning stage - and so, in short, we citizens are
called upon if these government agencies and also the Parliament basically fail, yes,
people will suffer if 100,000 deaths now threaten, yes, you have to imagine, as a
result of government measures, and that is not investigated, so - well, if no one else
does, you have to do it yourself.
JL: Where do you get your commitment, your courage from, I almost have to say,
because that's something where you have to expect strong headwinds - right?
HS: Yes, that was the case, even when I came out with my first interview last September,
where on September 11, 2019, where I have these structures ...
JL: Right, that was on September 11th ...
HS: Yes, that's right, it was broadcast there, so to speak, even before that, when I already
laid out these structures that were in preparation. I can only invite everyone to take a
look at it again. Well, a sense of responsibility, I don't want that for my family myself,
but also for my patients. Yes and by the way, quite honestly, I do not find that brave
myself, in principle everyone can do it, and there is also the fact that I am still a
reserve officer of the Bundeswehr, that was a long time ago, but still, I did sometimes
swore there to bravely defend the people and the Federal Republic. Now I can only
say that to all officers, for example, the Bundeswehr, and also to all officials, yes, just
to be brave now and speak the truth, because it is what it is. And then you just have
to, yes, now it's time to put things out. Well, headwind, well, there is. But it's not
about me, it's just about the facts.
JL: How can you be supported
HS: Yes, we have a website: www.aufklaerung-fuer ... Sorry
JL: Aerzte für Aufklärung ...
HS: www.aerzte-fuer-aufklaerung.de we have there, a donation account has just been set
up from scratch, because it is really about making this ACU, this extra-parliamentary
Corona committee of inquiry, this ACU, ACU, really professional to carry out, to carry
out objectively and also to carry out rapidly, because people are suffering now,
there are more and more terrible cases, we see this in the emails, in the letters ...
JL: I think you got 300 emails a day, you told me in the preliminary talk.
HS: Yes, that is correct, relatives, doctors are desperate, and they also say: “Why is it
not talked about, people die here. These are terrible fates and that is why I can only
count on the figures that came from the internal report from the Federal Ministry of
the Interior, these around 100,000 deaths due to the postponed operations ...
JL: UP TO 100,000…
HS: Yes, up to ... I can only confirm that and also our colleagues, that read our e-mails
and try to answer them… It is simply necessary now to work this up really
professionally with experts.
JL: Heiko, thank you for this first conversation. We'll be in regular contact to hear what
happened to ACU.
Thank you very much for watching, you can find all information about the show at
fairtalk.tv and see you soon here.
Thank you, Heiko! Bye!

[Masato]

^^ continued:

Why This Is Important: It can be confusing for many people to see so many doctors and many of the world’s most renowned scientists and infectious disease experts oppose so much information that is coming from the WHO and global governments.

Many scientists and doctors in North America are also expressing the same sentiments. For example, The Physicians For Informed Consent (PIC) recently published a report titled “Physicians for Informed Consent (PIC) Compares COVID-19 to Previous Seasonal and Pandemic Flu Periods.” According to them, the infection/fatality rate of COVID-19 is 0.26%. You can read more about that and access their resources and reasoning here.

John P. A. Ioannidis, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at Stanford University has said that the infection fatality rate “is close to 0 percent” for people under the age of 45 years old. You can read more about that here. He and several other academics from the Stanford School of Medicine suggest that COVID-19 has a similar infection fatality rate as seasonal influenza, and published their reasoning in a study last month. You can find that study and read more about that story here.

Michael Levitt, a Biophysicist and a professor of structural biology at Stanford University criticized the WHO as well as Facebook for censoring different information and informed perspectives regarding the Coronavirus and has claimed that, with regards to lockdown measures, that “the level of stupidity going on here is amazing.” You can read more about this here.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, a specialist in microbiology and one of the most cited research scientists in German history is also part of Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee mentioned above and has also expressed the same thing, multiple times early on in the pandemic all the way up to today.

Implementation of the current draconian measures that are so extremely restrict fundamental rights can only be justified if there is reason to fear that a truly, exceptionally dangerous virus is threatening us. Do any scientifically sound data exist to support this contention for COVID-19? I assert that the answer is simply, no. – Bhakdi. You can read more about him here.

Below are some interesting statistics from Canada:

[Canuckster]

You can't win this argument because these dummies say the covid #s are so low because of the lockdown measures.

[penxv]

Why are so many professionals and experts in the field being censored, ridiculed and shut down by organizations like the WHO?

https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/world ... 47f75d48e8

"But there’s more than bureaucratic self-interest at work here. Bizarrely enough, the WHO has also exploited its phony pandemic to push a hard left political agenda...

WHO Director-General Chan said “ministers of health” should take advantage of the “devastating impact” swine flu will have on poorer nations to get out the message that “changes in the functioning of the global economy” are needed to “distribute wealth on the basis of” values “like community, solidarity, equity and social justice.”"

[Masato]

What the fuck, for not wearing a mask in Australia:

The science behind whether or not masks do jack shit to stop viruses is not even anywhere near clear. Yet it is being enforced violently.

[Canuckster]

Australia and New Zealand are full on stasi police states.

[Megaterio Llamas]

I don't know how this guy manages to remain on US cable tv...

[Canuckster]

Explain?