Thoughts on coronavirus...

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Re: Thoughts on coronavirus...

Postby Canuckster » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:04 pm

A little more background would be helpful there friend
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:07 pm

Chris G wrote:
Megaterio Llamas wrote:Italy

Coronavirus Cases:
63,927

Deaths:
6,077

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... try/italy/


Clearly it has peaked now in Italy. Peak means about half of the population has been exposed, infected and immunized. So the real death rate looks more like up to 40 million infections to 12k deaths.



Hey man. First of all LOVE the gigantic huge avatar! lolol This is the best forum for avatars, lol I set a high max for file size so we can make full gifs etc


Re; Italy infections vs death, I have been seeing lots of interesting things lately regarding the actual #s of infected but mild cases, and how this speculation ultimately affects the death-rate, and thus puts the whole economic reaction into question.

For example, how many non-lethal cases around the world are not reported? I honestly think several people in my household may have gotten it, we all got a weird flash flu bug just before this nonsense, but it only lasted like 48 hours. I never reported it. 4 of us got it.

My neighbor told me the other day that he thinks his wife may have it, she has all the symptoms but again its non-lethal for healthy folk so she is not going to the doctor or hospital, is locked in her room and will ride it out. So how many others in each country are experiencing the same thing and simply not getting reported?

My point is that, like the regular flu, it is totally likely that MILLIONS have gotten it and will get it that are simply not reported. In fact here they tell us not to even go in if you have symptoms but are not critical so they can free up the hospitals and not back everything up.

So how do they know the total # of people who got it? If indeed the number is way bigger than 'reported' or even calculated using models... then the death-rate starts dropping exponentially. If indeed then the death-rate starts dropping, at what point does it become completely absurd to shut down world economy over it?


https://www.collective-evolution.com/20 ... VqCp9BYcLM

some quotes from the article ^^:


Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.”

[i]He states that the real death rate of this virus could be five or more times lower, at 0.025 percent to 0.625 percent.

The main idea is that the number of people infected with the new coronavirus is most likely much higher than we know right now, which would drastically drop the case fatality rate.


This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)




Then it gets into the reliability of MODELS, and how crazy they are because there are so many assumptions involved with models, and models made with even slightly different assumptions result in vast differences in conclusions. The article refers to several models made from reputable sources that have shown totally different results. So why are the WHO and all the other bootlicking governments going with the most alarming models? etc


This is a White House press, so of course please take that with the appropriate boulder of salt, but on the other hand I found this woman's talk here to be quite refreshing and well presented:

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:19 pm

Here is an interesting article my wife found about how FEAR fucks us up way worse than the virus itself:

https://medium.com/the-mission/why-coro ... ed6abe75bc

I think a lot of that is true, fear puts our entire function into disarray, mind body soul all wrong and out of balance.

Sometimes honestly I think this is just a massive global psyop to fuck with our heads and train us to fear and comply

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Once again Corbett with some impressive research and questions:



One interesting point he references ( Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... ises-model )
...is that there was this one specific model that projected that 2.2 Million people in the US will die, and 500,000 people in the UK will die by Covid. So the lockdown measures were put into place because of that model... but then just recently they ADMIT that the models were wrong and vastly overestimated the death count. They redacted their numbers way down, but yet the reaction lockdown remains.

here are some more of his sources;

Italy: Only 12% of “Covid19 deaths” list Covid19 as cause
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/23/ita ... -as-cause/

Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronaviru ... zo_eng.pdf

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

The Things You CANNOT Say About Coronavirus
https://www.corbettreport.com/the-thing ... ronavirus/

Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Is an ‘Almost Meaningless’ Metric
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/confirme ... 50415.html

Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... ises-model

COVID-19: Updated data implies that UK modelling hugely overestimates the expected death rates from infection
https://judithcurry.com/2020/03/25/covi ... infection/

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12- ... rus-panic/

10 MORE Experts Criticising the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10- ... rus-panic/

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:42 pm

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Average age of deaths in Italy was 78:
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'Comorbidities' = other deadly diseases.
Only 2.1 people died of Corona alone.
21.3 deaths had 1 comorbidity
25.9 had TWO comorbidities
50.7 had THREE COMORBIDITIES OR MORE
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Postby Canuckster » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:23 pm

Great stuff, I'm going to reproduce this elsewhere
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.

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Postby Chris G » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:38 pm

Masato wrote:Hey man. First of all LOVE the gigantic huge avatar! lolol This is the best forum for avatars, lol I set a high max for file size so we can make full gifs etc


Thank you!

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Postby Chris G » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:40 pm

Masato wrote:Here is an interesting article my wife found about how FEAR fucks us up way worse than the virus itself:

https://medium.com/the-mission/why-coro ... ed6abe75bc

I think a lot of that is true, fear puts our entire function into disarray, mind body soul all wrong and out of balance.

Sometimes honestly I think this is just a massive global psyop to fuck with our heads and train us to fear and comply


I don't think it is complete BS, in terms of there actually being a new flu strain.

But how dangerous it is, how widespread it is, yeah, something is up.

They want to push cashless, they want to push mandatory vaxx, they want to push that government ordering a quarantine is no big deal.

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Postby Chris G » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:41 pm

Masato wrote:Once again Corbett with some impressive research and questions:



One interesting point he references ( Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... ises-model )
...is that there was this one specific model that projected that 2.2 Million people in the US will die, and 500,000 people in the UK will die by Covid. So the lockdown measures were put into place because of that model... but then just recently they ADMIT that the models were wrong and vastly overestimated the death count. They redacted their numbers way down, but yet the reaction lockdown remains.

here are some more of his sources;

Italy: Only 12% of “Covid19 deaths” list Covid19 as cause
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/23/ita ... -as-cause/

Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronaviru ... zo_eng.pdf

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

The Things You CANNOT Say About Coronavirus
https://www.corbettreport.com/the-thing ... ronavirus/

Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Is an ‘Almost Meaningless’ Metric
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/confirme ... 50415.html

Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... ises-model

COVID-19: Updated data implies that UK modelling hugely overestimates the expected death rates from infection
https://judithcurry.com/2020/03/25/covi ... infection/

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12- ... rus-panic/

10 MORE Experts Criticising the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10- ... rus-panic/


I know a lot seem to be dying in Italy right now. But how many are really going to die in total, from this thing?

The longterm repercussions will be entirely in terms of GLOBAL government response.

This might be how they plan to bring in cashless, one world currency, right here, right now.

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:04 pm

Chris G wrote:The longterm repercussions will be entirely in terms of GLOBAL government response.

This might be how they plan to bring in cashless, one world currency, right here, right now.


Not just cashless world currency, I am seeing potential here to expand the WHO to creat a new global health authority system which all countries and leaders must take orders from in order to prevent this again etc.

I think that this crisis could finally be the foot in the door to finally start that shit. Establish a stronger authoritarian WHO, and then start expanding and stretching out from there. They could even piggy bank the cashless bit saying money is filthy and carries viruses lol

Also watch for some kind of economic reset. They will say things got so fucked up they will start forgiving debts and creat a new net zero market

These are all speculations of course, but it’s nice to have people here that share similar speculations so we can talk about it. This forum is small but damn it’s full of some sharp thinkers imo.

The thought police anywhere else and in the real world is getting a bit spooky. However my wife said she just chatted with 2 people today, 1 at the bank and another at her studio who came to pick up some stuff. Both are thinking beyond the TVs news and sensing that this reaction does not make sense. Good to hear.


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