What is your view on Social Healthcare?

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What is your view on Social Healthcare?

Postby Benwahwah » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:29 am

So I got to thinking about the issue of Social Healthcare. Being from the UK and having the NHS I find it hard to understand why Americans seem to be so averse to the whole situation of Social Healthcare. It amazes me that in one breath they say how terrible Obamacare and Social Healthcare is in general, and then in the next they are asking for handouts as soon as they are hit with the dreaded cancer.

It is shocking to my that in a modern society, a disease that affects many people, can, and usually does, financially cripples the person that is ill and in turn their family. I know that a few of you here class yourselves as Libertarians, and while I don't fully understand the whole thing of Libertarianism it seems to me that Social Healthcare is something they would oppose as being the responsibility of the person rather than the state.

So MT crew where do you stand on it all?

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Postby Megaterio Llamas » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:55 am

I'm down with it myself. As for the Americans, they're swimming in cash. The military budget could be trimmed of tens of billions and it would be barely noticeable. So there's the solution in a nutshell. Simply rob (GI) Peter to pay for (sick) Paul.

Less killing, more healing. And there would still be ample budget to invade and trample scores of innocent third world countries. The military would grumble at first but eventually they would forget about it and go bomb the shit out of Yemen or something.
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Postby Edge Guerrero » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:16 am

- We have in theory here, i can say that i whas always threated well when in need! Or impost money go to such stupid things here. I prefer my money going to threat someones health than those stupid artists that get money to promove suposed culture!
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Postby Masato » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:17 pm

Great question, Ben!

Socialized Healthcare is one of the few reasons why I might support some concepts of government.

Edge, it would be interesting to compare stories of healthcare in Canada and Brasil. I have seen my wife's mom get free procedures done in Brasil that people here pay thousands for (for example laser eye surgery. mother in law got for free in Brasil, my dad just paid like 10Gs here in Canada for the same thing).

On the other hand we had to go to an emergency room in Brasil last visit once and it sucked, lol

Also agreed that its stupid for government to spend loads of money on far less important things when healthcare is suffering. Priorities, man! lol

Is it possible to have a good socialized Healthcare for everyone without having an authoritative Big Government?

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Postby Canuckster » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:35 am

It is if big business interests stay the fuck out of lobbying governments and stick to actual care for the people.
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Postby Edge Guerrero » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:11 pm

Masato wrote:Great question, Ben!

Socialized Healthcare is one of the few reasons why I might support some concepts of government.

Edge, it would be interesting to compare stories of healthcare in Canada and Brasil. I have seen my wife's mom get free procedures done in Brasil that people here pay thousands for (for example laser eye surgery. mother in law got for free in Brasil, my dad just paid like 10Gs here in Canada for the same thing).

- Its varies, you can get a surgery next week and another person that got hurt on the same time frame, may have to wai years!

A laser eye surgery here, would cost 2.400 reeais. And if you got a health care plan, would probably cost half or even less! That for bout eyes, staying on the hospital and etc


On the other hand we had to go to an emergency room in Brasil last visit once and it sucked, lol

Also agreed that its stupid for government to spend loads of money on far less important things when healthcare is suffering. Priorities, man! lol

Is it possible to have a good socialized Healthcare for everyone without having an authoritative Big Government?
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Postby penxv » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:57 am

So many things are wrong with it.

Literally, physically, large hospitals are disease infested shitholes where people go to die. An ideal system would have doctors traveling to people's homes and treating them there.

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Postby Masato » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:58 am

^ great idea.

I also find it ironic that the same government (in the US at least) that is talking healthcare is the same government that is in bed with Big Pharma (conflict of interest), and also GMO giants like Monsanto which is likely causing most of the illness, lol Like if the government controls healthcare, they will also control what KIND of of healthcare you can get, and anyone who approaches health or treatment outside this bubble likely to be shunned or ostracized or even criminalized.

Sometimes the tinfoil hatter in me wonders if the food/medical/pharma industries are all intertwined to support each other in a vicious cycle :D

My town recently brags about a beautiful new huge hospital, but to me instead of being something to brag about, it just reflects how unhealthy and sick our community is. No one in the field interested in preventative health, just profit-based treatment

Question still stands; is it possible to have some kind of socialized free/accessible healthcare without having it attached to a big government type system? Would seem some kind of local system might be the answer, ie; not federalized

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Postby Benwahwah » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:32 am

penxv wrote:So many things are wrong with it.

Literally, physically, large hospitals are disease infested shitholes where people go to die. An ideal system would have doctors traveling to people's homes and treating them there.


I agree that hospitals can be disease infested dirty places, but lots of people have had good results from hospitals. Myself included. A travelling doctor system would be very problematic under social healthcare. Who would pay the doctor? How would work be tracked? If there is to be a central base dispatching doctors on an as needed basis how can they be sure that they are getting the right people seen first?

At the minute America seems to have a system where if you can't afford treatment you are fucked. I remember a few years ago an American politician tried to say that if Stephen Hawking was left to the NHS he would be dead by now. Hawking responded that if it wasn't for the NHS he would be dead.

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Postby Redneck » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:58 am

I think that Healthcare is the one socialist principle that I can agree with.

In Australia it was introduced in the early 70s and it was taxpayer funded, we've had access to "free" healthcare since then.

The conservatives have introduced a levy which we all have to pay now, it's a few hundred bucks a year but it's in your income tax so you don't notice it. If you take out private cover then you can claim the levy off your tax.

I do think that humans who are forced to live in this society should at least be given affordable and easily accessible quality health care, not exactly a given right like some people think, but just a common sense approach to the situation. Let's face it, fuck all of our tax money is ever used to help us, so we should at least get Healthcare out of the shitty deal.


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