MASATO

[Som-Pong]

EY, you are right imo according to the current state of the general masses - we are not ready yet for true anarchy as a whole.

However I still feel strongly that there can be no 'good' authority, at least not for long. Power corrupts, this is natural and proven. Simply, what human being can be trusted in these positions? Such 'good authority' you speak of would require real wise benevolent beings. - Do they exist? And if so would they even want such power? Even men like Gandhi have been accused to be somewhat psychopathic in their own eccentric ways. Or what if we do find such a leader, but his/her ideals are seen as extreme by some or not agreed upon by all?

IMO it is ALREADY 'the law of the jungle'. If you think about it, really - positions of power are held mostly by the super-wealthy (powerful), and laws are enforced at the barrel of a gun or threat of prison. 'Democracy' is distributed via military force or economic coups. Its ALREADY anarchy! IMO it always has been and always will be; no 'law' of man can trump law of nature. They are ALL illusion! Everyone is already free to do what they want, this includes acts of punishing etc. None are done by the 'law' alone, but by individual choice of action. We're just taught not to think of it this way.

"Any sort of enlightened future will be one where the ideals of anarchism begin to grow in the HEARTS of humans, not just in the mind. It will take a great spiritual shift, a whole new frequency of consciousness where ideas of 'authority' are seen for what it is; illusion - or at best something given by the weak or taken by the strong... and RESPECT for others as yourself & ideas of inter-connectedness become obvious common sense.

The TRUTH is that EVERYONE is unique and special, with their own path and reality. NO set of authority or law can ever hope to account for the infinite differences and situations of people/groups/cultures/sub-cultures. Any enlightened social system MUST eventually recognize this, and allow people as much freedom as possible to govern themselves and make their own decisions. You can't 'lock down' or control reality; the wise man lets it flow as it will, and refuses to think he can steer it.

This shift may take a while... but to envision some utopian state with a great authority at the top I believe is moving backwards. Its not really possible unless you have some kind of messiah, which I also think is super dangerous thinking"

Amazing post. This really put words to my beliefs. I also liked Fugazis post. People need to say FUCK THE GOV and just STOP being complicit to the evil nature of society.

[Masato]

Yeah I find his ideas/love of some benign authority pretty scary. (RCC etc)

Sometimes, tbh I actually DO think we are ready, in the sense that for big things we are never truly ready - eventually you just have to make a jump and DO it. - If you wait till 'you're ready', you'll probably never do anything.

People could wake up pretty fuckin fast imo if presented with the right information. Once awake, I think it will be quite natural to never trust 'leaders' or authority again with too much power.

[Som-Pong]

Well put. You don't know if you're ready until you make the jump.

[Som-Pong]

"I OFTEN wonder here in Canada what would actually happen if I officially declared that I am no longer participating.

Say I won't pay any more taxes, but also cut up my health card, pull my kids from public school etc. Just say I don't wanna play anymore, say its not my law, not my game, I don't agree and don't want to participate. Refuse court orders, tear up any legal documents, just keep repeating I'M NOT PLAYING. I didn't agree to it, didn't write it, didn't vote, don't agree with the governments ideologies etc... I'm OUT, thank you.

I was thinking of creating some kind of 'sovereign ID card' for me and anyone else who wants to do the same... It would catch on fast if anyone were to get away with it imo

Would they REALLY throw me in jail? A non-violent father with 2 kids?

Maybe so. That is reflection of the true nature of the system if so.

If something like this were to work (and I doubt it would), the only thing that would really suck would be the passport issue. I'd essentially be trapped within the Canadian borders."


This is basically what I've done. I had to move though, but the bastard men leave me alone.

[Canuckster]

"they" have absolutely no qualms about throwing your ass in jail to make an example of you to keep the rest of the sheep in line.

[Som-Pong]

I'd pull a Breivik and the fuckers know it.

[Masato]

Would they REALLY though? How many families/parents/children would it take to stand up and make that public divorce from the system before they would have to cave?

If you could make some media stink, would the government really want to openly start jailing father/mothers? Repossessing homes?

Maybe I am naive - I really wonder sometimes if they would really be so brutal. Who has tried?

In the end it is regular folk working the government positions... they would have to be complicit.

I don't have the guts to try, at least not at this point. I think of it often though, 1 day I might give it a run. Like said, kids make a man more cautious :(

[Som-Pong]

You need the numbers _before_ you commit to the revolution. That's the problem. Because nobody will start it up.

[Masato]

^ harsh

[Canuckster]

People need to be desperate before they will rise up and try to change things, you think its an accident we re kept just comfortable enough to allow the majority to keep their mouth shut.