The Sandy Hook Investigations

[Daglord]

I listened to Spingola vs Halbig already

was highly entertaining lol

She owns him a bunch of times, but again I find it unproductive to fight and discredit and to create 'camps' on the issue. They should have come together as they are (supposedly) on the same mission, and HELPED each other clarify each other's understanding. The goal should have been to debate for MUTUAL progression, to point out errors and fill in missing info, so that all parties come out with greater understanding.

The infighting makes me the most disappointed, really

do you honestly think that wolfgang halbig is on a sincere "truth-seeking" mission?

I don't & can't possibly understand how anyone still can. hence the suspicion. go back & read through this thread. start @ page 6 for most recent. people like that need to be called out imho.

I still lol @ ey.com's 10 page discussion on the FOI hearing vid that no one watched & yet the usual suspects kept praising wolfgang 'for following all the proper procedures & actually doing something". isn't it a bit funny that the ONLY TWO PEOPLE (Ben & myself) who actually took the time to watch it came away convinced that halbig is full of shit? speaks volumes imo; about evilyoshida.com & the state of the CT community. not good. these jokers need to be exposed to maintain the legitimacy of any real truth movement. for that, I think people like wolfgang deserve whatever backlash/namecalling they receive.

if the shoe fits...

that latest spingola pod was a few days ago & was for later for me. listening now. it is mainly her going back over the interview that exposed halbig back in the day. that interview should have been the end of halbig imo. coincidentally, after that, he (or his "handlers") were very careful of who interviewed him. IMO, it's probably the most legit interview of halbig to date. it's interesting to hear her go back over it now, knowing even more now than she did then.

[Daglord]

& I still don't understand the reluctance to watch a "debunking" video, yet the enthusiasm for some of these outrageous hoaxer vids (some already 2 years old & proven to be full of misinformation by the very "debunking" vids avoided). I can't wrap my head around that one. that's sounds a lot like confirmation bias.

which would you rather watch:

1) a video that is obviously manipulated with looping, starts/stops, edits, arrows & circus music? allowing for all kinds of speculation & assumptions?
- or -
2) a video that uses non-edited footage, no special effects & that actually explains what is happening inside the firehouse?



which would you rather watch:

1) a video that blatantly lies & misinforms about a check-in sign being present the morning of the 14th for FEMA drill participants to check in? pushing their hoax agenda & capitalizing on prison planet style fear porn?
- or -
2) a video that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the sign was not there when they claim it was & that they are knowingly spreading disinformation?



of course, I suggest watch both. I always do. but the hesitancy to watch a "debunking" vid, while basically lining up for the latest hoaxer vid is foolish & irresponsible. seems to be a real problem lately in the CT community IMHO. It puzzles me beyond belief.

[Daglord]

In response to ey's laughable video (once again from alex jones :roll: ) posted in this thread:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=2462791&page=1&pc=725

555 Emily is having a fucking meltdown.

there is some new footage in here even I hadn't seen.

SANDY HOOK COVENANT; **EXCLUSIVE** 'Check In Sign' Footage & LIES By Alex Jones & Wolfgang Halbig

Published on Jul 10, 2015
2015.7.10 (AE) - **EXCLUSIVE** footage of the very first video evidence of the Sandy Hook 'Everyone Must Check In Sign'… and this was recorded on Sunday 2012.12.16. This video PROVES, beyond any doubt, that Wolfgang Halbig, and his promoter and sponsor Alex Jones, are intentionally MISINFORMING their audiences by promoting DISINFO claiming the 'Everyone Must Check In Sign' was present at the Sandy Hook Firehouse on the day of the event, 2012.12.14.

These claims are PROVEN to be completely UNTRUE, with video evidence shown from Friday 2012.12.14, and Saturday 2012.12.15

[Masato]

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its like I said, man

A Debunking vid where they call everyone a 'Truth-Tard' every 5 mins and pat themselves on the back for debunking isolated arguments is just as nauseating to me as an over-the-top full on hoaxer-porn vid

But you are right, I think I do have some confirmation bias happening in this situation. Hence my going through all your links more carefully.

I think the reason for this problem you speak of is that too often videos on both sides simply go too far; either a vid will be dumb and ignore simple evidence and put scary music on and propose wild and ridiculous theories... or it will go all arrogant and make fun of conspiracy all together and tell you that you are dumb to believe any of it.

Both are offensive and difficult. So whatever side of the fence one might sit, the reluctance to listen to stuff from the far opposite is difficult, even though as you pointed out it is the most responsible thing to do.

If Debunking vids simply attacked point by point, instead of making broad generalizations about 'conspiri-tards' imo they would do a lot more good. Reversely, if CT vids didn't get so emotionally invested in their narratives they would also do more good. I'm still going through that radio show you posted. Many solid points made, lots of legit debunking and exposing the pro-hoax vids as being quite shallow... but at the same time have not yet sold the case to me that all is well at Sandy Hook. They also talk shit about 9/11 'Truthers', again ridiculing anyone who follows such ideas, constantly throwing in Bigfoot and UFOs in the same sentences. I may have confirmation bias about 9/11 too, but its founded on 14 years of research, so forgive me if I'm not as willing to watch 4 hours of someone telling me the Official story is legit and all conspiracy of that day is nonsense. Ya hear me?

People gotta come TOGETHER, man. Who gives a shit who is right? - the goal is on understanding the truth whatever it may be.

When people start fighting it discredits both sides.

Continuing with the radio show now. We'll see what else they got. I wonder what they will say about the smiling happy parents? Or the notion that no victims were rushed to EMS or hospital? still many issues I'm curious to hear debunked

Thank you for encouraging me to look deeper at this Dag. For sure we need to balance our info sometimes, even if we feel strongly about what we have learned thus far about something. I just wish the presentations could be less obnoxious or preachy about it.

[Masato]

Uh-oh.. buddy on the radio saying there is a limit to free speech, that if it begins to sound like hate speech it should be reported and taken down.

That's dangerous talk imo. Not much room for 'truth' in that scenario

[Daglord]

yeah, like I said, that was a '4later'. I posted that radio show before listening to it. I don't agree with all of it, but I do when they break down WNTTASH. & I don't like truthtard either, just as much as I don't like dupe or sheeple or shill. works both ways. the irony (imo) here is that the people calling others dupes for not believing this was a hoax, are actually the ones being duped by people like halbig & fetzer.

& it's not about right or wrong for me, it's about people deliberately spreading disinformation. that is wrong on so many levels & needs to be called out imo. otherwise, we're fucked.

I wouldn't have recommended that show other than the movie talk. I sometimes post things like that blind so I can listen to it while reading other stuff & so I don't forget.

I would have recommended the evacuation vid, firehouse vid & check in sign vid before that call in show.

or start here. this vid is from brendan hunt. one of the very first SH researchers who also thinks SH stinks. he was even the one who got roy low to admit the FBI was visiting people during his trip to newtown. way before halbig. hunt is a good guy. great, honest researcher. calls out disinfo when he sees it & there is a lot of it in & around SH. you want to go down a rabbit hole maybe you wouldn't have otherwise, I would recommend hunt. give this 8 mins.

this video is not the same as above. it is an entirely different time that alex jones & PP lied. proving it wasn't a one time thing/mistake.

[Masato]

Ugh - these guys are jerks imo

I can dig their SH perspectives, but I've listened to 2 hours and they have done all of about 3 or 4 minutes of debunking. Good debunking, but the other 1 hr 56 minutes is just them rambling on using various forms of the word 'tard', and making crazy metaphors for people who smell fish

Is it really worth the next 2 hours? these guys are nauseating

SO much wasted air time. Get to the fuckin point please.

[Daglord]

Is it really worth the next 2 hours? these guys are nauseating

no man. I wouldn't. they kind of lost me @ the 9/11 talk. I still respect the breakdown of the movie though (& somewhat feel their frustration).

but to answer your question, I'd move on to the vid above. or the evac vid or firehouse vid above. those were two key hoaxer (& smallstorm) points that were addressed.

more politely than the radio guys ;)

[Masato]

OK man, thanks

I was ready to finish the show :cry:

[Daglord]

Secondly, 1 or 2 photos where children are merely present does not = evidence of mass evacuation.

we might disagree on this, not sure, but this is enough evidence for me of an evacuation. like they broke down in that other vid, the evac timeline took place before most media showing up & the route is mostly out of view of most dash cams. in addition, most is redacted due to minors laws & such. they did miss redacting some of the kids evacuating in the corner of the dash cams though. consistent with timeline & route. he even uses WNTTASH footage to point that out the evac.

more pics @ link. most are shown in the vid too. some were huge & I hate giant pics that throw the thread off.

http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/sandy-hook-evacuation-photos-hundreds.html