Just spoke with someone who says its (basically) futile

[Masato]

Hey all

Just had a 2-hour Skype with a highly interesting person about CT matters, of whom I was quite impressed with his research and knowledge and maturity with which to internalize it all into reality. Interesting guy, unique life that has allowed him to see things differently than most. Equally interesting perspective -

Here is the basics; he believes/sees basically that Agenda 21 is in full-play, and sees nothing big enough to stop it. Says TPP, C-51 etc are all basically already locked down, everything is ready to go. Sees no credible resistance, and ruthless efficiency in their plans. According to his research, Agenda 21 has a clear and defined schedule, and it basically goes down in the next 40 years or less.

What's worse, he says its useless to even try to get the word out and take part in the Info-Wars... TOO LATE!! We're in the last minute of round 5, we need a big KO or its basically over.

Very strange because the guy seems very positive and creative in spite of such an apocalyptic viewpoint.

He says basically all we can do is try to clear your debts as much as possible (debt is the trap - they will come for you and if you can't pay you're 1st in the wagon), stop consuming, and hunker down cause its coming.



Quite hardcore to listen to, being the optimist that I am. I choose to believe in the underdog, that something miraculous can still happen, that fate or karma can still pull a rabbit out at the 11th hour, that God or Tao will smile and twist the ribbon. I choose to believe there IS still time, and that its not too late and that getting the word out and rising the collective consciousness is totally happening and we can raise it up. I choose to believe that the grip of control is more fragile than it appears, and that they are actually quite afraid that we are slipping through their grasp. It's all about FREQUENCY of consciousness; their whole scheme is based NOT on power of force (police, military), but through power of our MINDS and CONSCIOUSNESSES. And this we can still take back, no laws, courts, or goon-squads needed.




Who is right? Are we both right? Are we both being too naive/extreme?

I am aware I choose these opinions, in spite of my research. Am I just conditioned? Afraid to face the truth? Or is there truth and power in positive paradigms?



Basically, CT shit is hitting the fan. We can post forever pointing this out to ourselves and others... but is that enough for these times? What else can be done?

I tend to encourage little things, fight your fight at an individual level, and the collective acts and thoughts will take its course and we must trust it to a degree to find its way to balance again.

My friend says its too late for that, and only a total revolution by millions on the money system RIGHT NOW can stop it.


Serious discussion, yo

[Canuckster]

I think it's awesome that you refer to him as your friend

[IDL]

I don't see the system being overthrown since it's far too large and advanced. I don't see any real opposition by people in actual power, although there are many people who are not on board.

The power positions in the network are taken (Mass media, education, politics, central banks).

I do believe there will be a revolution, but it is the Marxist revolution that is deliberately being carried out. Much like the Bolshevik revolution, using the 'oppressed classes' as a lever to overturn the 'bourgeois', which then results in the more authoritarian communist based system which is the desired end game.

Anything is possible though. My hope is that 'the plan' isn't as bad as it looks and that maybe there is a high power out there that will reign in the globalists once they have completed their task.

Resisting is still important though in terms of limiting the control that they can have over us. The degree of control I think is somewhat flexible. There may be room to carve out a little freedom.

Or maybe Huxley was correct in A Brave New World in that Iceland will be left free for those who awake. Anyone want to move to Iceland?

[Som-Pong]

I might very well end up in Iceland.
I agree with your friend, it's far too late.

[Devil's Advocate]

In a way it is futile, because the agenda continues to move forward. However there are also more 'awakened' people than ever before, and the tide is slowly turning. Whether the awakened will grow enough to outnumber the sleeping, is another thing. So many people still blab the media rhetoric and don't ever scratch beneath the surface to investigate further. There is a race on between the elite gaining complete control over humanity, and humanity telling the elite to stick it up their collective ass. I think at this point in time, the elite are still leading the race.

[Canuckster]

Even the majority of awakened people have no clue how to implement a system to replace the one we have.

[Masato]

My hope is that 'the plan' isn't as bad as it looks and that maybe there is a high power out there that will reign in the globalists once they have completed their task.

This is interesting... I was saying during the conversation that once the elites are ready to actually clamp it down, I would think it would be smart to make it look really great to sell it as smootly as possible.

Likely, standard of living will go way up for many (others will be fucked, lol), economy will suddenly look awesome, lots of eco-technology that has been suppressed will suddenly be released and implemented, they may even open up more natural medical centres to appeal to the 'awakened' etc etc. It very well be a Utopia of sorts in its own way.

Their whole game has always been very 'Brave New World', in that it attempts to appease/sedate us so the masses will come to 'love their servitude' as Huxley put it

The other possibility is that this whole 'Great Work' really is operating on an 'End justifies the means' ideology. If you look at Gnostic teachings, Freemasonry etc... there is no denying that they take on a tone of doing something noble and grand, something that will lift humanity to the next level, etc...

In this way, maybe they have long ago decided that it would be OK to break some eggs as long as they keep moving towards that ultimate 'divine' goal.

Perhaps once they lock it down and gain the world-domination they seek, it seems illogical that they would turn it into something dark and ugly.

After all, it's their planet too. (or is it>?? lol)


Then again, I look at the unfathomable sea of horror and lies that are being done to build it, and its hard to swallow that that plan can ever be ultimately 'good' in any sense :(

[Daglord]

I had a friend take his own life because of the doom & gloom he thought was upon us & he was a VERY intelligent truthseeker. A man I held in high regard (despite his final decision which I don't agree with). this is a great question. I refuse to give up the fight, even if I'm doing nothing more than spreading awareness. but that also doesn't mean that this stuff must consume your life (which it did him). you HAVE to stop & appreciate the present. smell the roses. there is time for both. I find myself pulling away from conspiracy talk more & more lately.

maybe that is what your friend is doing masato.

Imo, 40 years is a breath in the grand scheme of things, but still enough time for change or a slow derailment imho, even if done by taking baby steps. like DA said, there are more awakened people than ever, but there are also more distractions. All this easily accesible information can be both a help & hinderance to the "infowar", but the tide has been slowly turning imo. I'm not all that familiar with C51 & I haven't seen anything yet from Agenda 21 that has me worried it's an inevitable threat.

I do believe for other reasons that this world is screwed in about 50+ years. environmental change, continuous war & destruction, infinite growth on a finite planet, lack of empathy from TPTB, indifference from most, etc.

I guess, imo, there is no correct answer but to keep fighting in whatever way you choose to do so. at least that way, if & when the shit does hit the fan, you will have no regrets.

[Edge Guerrero]

In a way it is futile, because the agenda continues to move forward. However there are also more 'awakened' people than ever before, and the tide is slowly turning. Whether the awakened will grow enough to outnumber the sleeping, is another thing. So many people still blab the media rhetoric and don't ever scratch beneath the surface to investigate further. There is a race on between the elite gaining complete control over humanity, and humanity telling the elite to stick it up their collective ass. I think at this point in time, the elite are still leading the race.

- This.^^
More acess to information, people don't need to encomend a book that will take a year to get to they home.

[Masato]

The point made to me however was that it doesn't matter if more and more people are awakening;

he said even if we do, there's nothing practical we can do to stop the machine. All the laws have been in place, most all the money/gold/weapons/governments are in place. We are completely dependent on their MONEY GAME, and wouldn't know how to extract ourselves from it in time.

He said that the only way would be for MILLIONS of people to all completely dump all use and respect for money. Stop using it, realize that its an illusion. I tried to brainstorm with him other scenarios where we could stop the system... (for instance the idea of working from within the system; cleaning it as opposed to abolishing it) ...but the replies were still very slim.

He pointed out that the system can never jail itself; to try to take the Queen to court for instance will simply never happen, lol. Protesting/petitions are a futile effort, as you are basically just asking the elites pretty please to give up all their power. Good luck, lol - Trying to use courts and law to defeat it is like asking your MMA opponent to punch himself in the face please because you want to win. I also tend to be cynical about this, but have other friends who believe its still possible (at least in Canada)

Again; his perspective, not mine... but damn he was so clear and level headed about it, even had a healthy humor re; the situation it wasn't the usual fear-pron doom and gloom vibe that usually accompanies such outlooks

Much food for thought, it almost seems the case sometimes. He said awareness is up and definitely rising, but what has it stopped? What has it done?
He laughed