Made a wee podcast on what I would love to have bee taught at school. Practical life lessons that would be most relevant for me moving into the adult world .
In the episode I look at Getting a job, Tax, Voting, Health, Current events, Law, Budgeting, Human rights, Politics, Arranging a funeral, DIY, Social skills, Cooking basics and self belief.
I enjoyed most subjects at school but most were irrelevant to my life, possibly other nations do teach some of these life skills, be interesting to hear.
http://www.everythingsanillusion.com/po ... -for-life/
Lessons for Life
This was BRILLIANT
You know what I liked best? The fact that you actually give the education system some credit. CTers including myself tend to think education is all a brainwashing school of bullshit, it is easy to become skeptical and hate on it all.
But you are right; MOST of it we should be thankful for, kids receive a pretty interesting education in all sorts of fields which is quite amazing considering human history or the level/access to education for most of the populated world. We get to learn about mathematics, reading, writing, music, art, science, geography... how wonderful! Such education for most of the past was only given to an elite few. My daughter has an absolute kickass music teacher for example that I'm stoked about and she's only in grade 6. Plus it seems that in the highschools, 'elective' classes are becoming more and more numerous; teens where I live can learn all kinds of cool stuff, schools have woodworking shops, pottery studios, photography darkrooms, computer labs, textiles, etc etc etc. How privileged to be able to go and learn!!
You are 1000% right that key life-skills are oddly missing from this, but as a CTer with several friends constantly telling me to take my kids out of school, it was fresh to hear a positive review from someone as open-minded as yourself.
It could be seen however that most of the subjects you mention all have 1 thing in common; they all have the potential to create dissent within a person. Learning about taxes, laws, politics, human rights etc inevitably lead to critical thinking about the system and authority itself, and obviously in a dangerously un-favorable way.
Do schools really aim to educate? Or merely equip us to be obedient workers?
Its a difficult question to answer imo
Regardless, ideologies of education imo TOTALLY need to be re-examined. The world and workforce that existed in the days that the curriculum was designed is completely different than the world and workforce that exists today. The needs are different, the trends are different, our values are different. At what point does a complete cultural re-examination of 'WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO LEARN?' become necessary?
I've encountered a lot of homeschool kids and families in the past couple years, seen both good and bad results. My kids are in public school, likewise lots of good and bad to see. Its not an easy thing to do that's for sure.
You know what I liked best? The fact that you actually give the education system some credit. CTers including myself tend to think education is all a brainwashing school of bullshit, it is easy to become skeptical and hate on it all.
But you are right; MOST of it we should be thankful for, kids receive a pretty interesting education in all sorts of fields which is quite amazing considering human history or the level/access to education for most of the populated world. We get to learn about mathematics, reading, writing, music, art, science, geography... how wonderful! Such education for most of the past was only given to an elite few. My daughter has an absolute kickass music teacher for example that I'm stoked about and she's only in grade 6. Plus it seems that in the highschools, 'elective' classes are becoming more and more numerous; teens where I live can learn all kinds of cool stuff, schools have woodworking shops, pottery studios, photography darkrooms, computer labs, textiles, etc etc etc. How privileged to be able to go and learn!!
You are 1000% right that key life-skills are oddly missing from this, but as a CTer with several friends constantly telling me to take my kids out of school, it was fresh to hear a positive review from someone as open-minded as yourself.
It could be seen however that most of the subjects you mention all have 1 thing in common; they all have the potential to create dissent within a person. Learning about taxes, laws, politics, human rights etc inevitably lead to critical thinking about the system and authority itself, and obviously in a dangerously un-favorable way.
Do schools really aim to educate? Or merely equip us to be obedient workers?
Its a difficult question to answer imo
Regardless, ideologies of education imo TOTALLY need to be re-examined. The world and workforce that existed in the days that the curriculum was designed is completely different than the world and workforce that exists today. The needs are different, the trends are different, our values are different. At what point does a complete cultural re-examination of 'WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO LEARN?' become necessary?
I've encountered a lot of homeschool kids and families in the past couple years, seen both good and bad results. My kids are in public school, likewise lots of good and bad to see. Its not an easy thing to do that's for sure.
I worked in a school for kids with special behaviours. Autism etc.
One of my jobs was "Breakfast Club" - I would show them how to take breakfast orders, prioritise the order list, manage the production, delivery and customer service.
Now these were kids that if you said the Tea was cold they would have thrown it in your face and run away in a huf. The kids were around 8 to 12 years old and could do everything noted above, school had equipped them for that. ie Writting lists, prioritising , managing the manufacture etc.
The problem and the most challenging aspect was in the practical skills, self confidence and pressure. I had to teach the kids how to use the toaster, how to butter the toast, how to spread jam, prepare and brew tea etc etc.
Once they had this down, the other skills kicked in, prioritising dark heavily burnt toast (one of the kids ate his toast cremated!!) as a major time hogger and getting it on first etc etc.
My point is , these kids are an extreme example of society, some coming from broken homes others in the system. And it fell to me to suggest to my boss that I start a few clubs to enable them and teach the practical skills that most kids would get at home. Crazy what we take for granted.
Schools don't aim to educate imo, they aim to create efficient automatons that can perform a task at a high level with little supervision. After all the only reason we have education is due tot eh industrial revolution, the influx of rural workers needed basic education to operate the new sophisticated technology.
The system need to be completely rebuilt and built back up but just like the illegality of entheogens etc The powers that be don't want a nation of thinkers. They want automatons.
Self learning is the way forward.
Robb
One of my jobs was "Breakfast Club" - I would show them how to take breakfast orders, prioritise the order list, manage the production, delivery and customer service.
Now these were kids that if you said the Tea was cold they would have thrown it in your face and run away in a huf. The kids were around 8 to 12 years old and could do everything noted above, school had equipped them for that. ie Writting lists, prioritising , managing the manufacture etc.
The problem and the most challenging aspect was in the practical skills, self confidence and pressure. I had to teach the kids how to use the toaster, how to butter the toast, how to spread jam, prepare and brew tea etc etc.
Once they had this down, the other skills kicked in, prioritising dark heavily burnt toast (one of the kids ate his toast cremated!!) as a major time hogger and getting it on first etc etc.
My point is , these kids are an extreme example of society, some coming from broken homes others in the system. And it fell to me to suggest to my boss that I start a few clubs to enable them and teach the practical skills that most kids would get at home. Crazy what we take for granted.
Schools don't aim to educate imo, they aim to create efficient automatons that can perform a task at a high level with little supervision. After all the only reason we have education is due tot eh industrial revolution, the influx of rural workers needed basic education to operate the new sophisticated technology.
The system need to be completely rebuilt and built back up but just like the illegality of entheogens etc The powers that be don't want a nation of thinkers. They want automatons.
Self learning is the way forward.
Robb
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Masato wrote:This was BRILLIANT
You know what I liked best? The fact that you actually give the education system some credit. CTers including myself tend to think education is all a brainwashing school of bullshit, it is easy to become skeptical and hate on it all.
But you are right; MOST of it we should be thankful for, kids receive a pretty interesting education in all sorts of fields which is quite amazing considering human history or the level/access to education for most of the populated world. We get to learn about mathematics, reading, writing, music, art, science, geography... how wonderful! Such education for most of the past was only given to an elite few. My daughter has an absolute kickass music teacher for example that I'm stoked about and she's only in grade 6. Plus it seems that in the highschools, 'elective' classes are becoming more and more numerous; teens where I live can learn all kinds of cool stuff, schools have woodworking shops, pottery studios, photography darkrooms, computer labs, textiles, etc etc etc. How privileged to be able to go and learn!!
- If we don`t have a education system, were would we learn about the world and socialize?
Education is a very important tool, forget that dumb music(The music is a form of sub-control in that case,they only sing what people wanted to listen, they don`t take that serious after all. At last i hope not.)
Knowledge is the most valuable asset we get and some time is for free
You don`t think some conspiracy theories are actually manipulating you and me to thin the way they want us think?
Every media is manipulative
You are 1000% right that key life-skills are oddly missing from this, but as a CTer with several friends constantly telling me to take my kids out of school, it was fresh to hear a positive review from someone as open-minded as yourself.
- Your friends are idiot`s and i wound`t allow then to take care of a tamagotchi :mrgreen:
- This is preventing a children of the most important time on the development. They are just doing what they are blaming the schools to do. Teach their children to think their way.
- Things missing for or educational system here are pratical knowledge that would be useful, like concepts of law and rights, would be cool to learn carpentry too. Things that would be helpful in all pathway of life.
It could be seen however that most of the subjects you mention all have 1 thing in common; they all have the potential to create dissent within a person. Learning about taxes, laws, politics, human rights etc inevitably lead to critical thinking about the system and authority itself, and obviously in a dangerously un-favorable way.
Do schools really aim to educate? Or merely equip us to be obedient workers?
- Workers are a necessity to keep society boat flowing on the sea of life, if they don`t give it that, the one thing different would be more people unenployed and starving on the streets. There`s is a point were we all learn to see the world with our eyes. If we want to blind follow or to be the one making decisions it`s our right.
- I rent this space for advertising
Don't be selfish, preserve this world for the next generations.
I'll never long for what might have been
Regret won't waste my life again
I won't look back I'll fight to remain
Don't be selfish, preserve this world for the next generations.
I'll never long for what might have been
Regret won't waste my life again
I won't look back I'll fight to remain
robbstar, do you have kids? (sorry if I asked already)
If not how would you approach their education?
This is a really tricky issue for me... many ways to see it. Life is such that it is really difficult to properly homeschool unless you are wealthy, and my wife has done a lot of work with homeschoolers and for the most part is not impressed. On the other hand the public system is a lot what you say it is. On the other hand there's lots of good things too, lol and round and round I go
Even if I could homeschool, I think its easier said than done to come up with a curriculum of real quality... like it or not they are born into the system and will need to know how to engage it. I could raise them all rebel style, but would that be fair to them?
Right now I can't afford private school nor the time to homeschool... so they go to public school but I do my best to instill in them a sense of skepticism and questioning. I tell them all the time that teachers are totally fallible and there are always many ways to look at different issues etc. But just because I don't have a better solution doesn't mean I'm totally happy with it.
Really fucked up questions as a parent.
If not how would you approach their education?
This is a really tricky issue for me... many ways to see it. Life is such that it is really difficult to properly homeschool unless you are wealthy, and my wife has done a lot of work with homeschoolers and for the most part is not impressed. On the other hand the public system is a lot what you say it is. On the other hand there's lots of good things too, lol and round and round I go
Even if I could homeschool, I think its easier said than done to come up with a curriculum of real quality... like it or not they are born into the system and will need to know how to engage it. I could raise them all rebel style, but would that be fair to them?
Right now I can't afford private school nor the time to homeschool... so they go to public school but I do my best to instill in them a sense of skepticism and questioning. I tell them all the time that teachers are totally fallible and there are always many ways to look at different issues etc. But just because I don't have a better solution doesn't mean I'm totally happy with it.
Really fucked up questions as a parent.
PS: Some great points by Edge
The education I seem to value most right now from my kids' school is more of a social education than academic.
Like I said my wife teaches a lot of homeschool kids and most of them are very weird and don't socialize well. If they are in a situation foreign to them they tend not to be able to cope. Other peeks we've had into private schools, its all rich kids, or kids of a similar cultural/social ilk.
Public school kind of rocks in this way imo because they are immersed in a real cross-section of society, they see kids of all types and learn to get along. Also learning to deal with deadlines, homework etc is just good practice for real life. No doubt about it they are receiving quite a wide spectrum of education just by going there.
The public school's perception of 'Art' is fucked up though. They really don't seem to have any idea (save for a few rare teachers) what it really about, nor its value in society and the workforce/industries. They just don't get it
The education I seem to value most right now from my kids' school is more of a social education than academic.
Like I said my wife teaches a lot of homeschool kids and most of them are very weird and don't socialize well. If they are in a situation foreign to them they tend not to be able to cope. Other peeks we've had into private schools, its all rich kids, or kids of a similar cultural/social ilk.
Public school kind of rocks in this way imo because they are immersed in a real cross-section of society, they see kids of all types and learn to get along. Also learning to deal with deadlines, homework etc is just good practice for real life. No doubt about it they are receiving quite a wide spectrum of education just by going there.
The public school's perception of 'Art' is fucked up though. They really don't seem to have any idea (save for a few rare teachers) what it really about, nor its value in society and the workforce/industries. They just don't get it
lol @ tamagachi
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i lost my parents manual a long time ago dammit.
just going to wing that shit yo.
just going to wing that shit yo.
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.
Masato wrote:robbstar, do you have kids? (sorry if I asked already)
If not how would you approach their education?
This is a really tricky issue for me... many ways to see it. Life is such that it is really difficult to properly homeschool unless you are wealthy, and my wife has done a lot of work with homeschoolers and for the most part is not impressed. On the other hand the public system is a lot what you say it is. On the other hand there's lots of good things too, lol and round and round I go
Even if I could homeschool, I think its easier said than done to come up with a curriculum of real quality... like it or not they are born into the system and will need to know how to engage it. I could raise them all rebel style, but would that be fair to them?
Right now I can't afford private school nor the time to homeschool... so they go to public school but I do my best to instill in them a sense of skepticism and questioning. I tell them all the time that teachers are totally fallible and there are always many ways to look at different issues etc. But just because I don't have a better solution doesn't mean I'm totally happy with it.
Really fucked up questions as a parent.
I am not a parent.
The school system here in Scotland is ace, still lots of room to ask , to be curious, socialise, be creative etc.
My Dad was a rebel , community activist who never made it out of the 60s. Even now he has long hair, long beard and is always challenging everything. Standard school is ace because you have to know how the system works, but home life, where your shown to question the man! life skills etc is just as important.
For the best part I think schools are ace, working in one and working with Teachers as part of a few different jobs I have had, I honestly believe they are in the game for the right reasons even if they sometimes don't actually understand the game. They put in crazy hours and their commitment to the students is usually fanatical.
My sister and brother and law are both heads of science at a secondary school, I argue with them all the time about science as I tend to think of them as efficient formula machines as aposed to folks that are continuously looking for answers , full of curiosity and the like.
Big decisions, I a sure they will turn out with a solid head on their shoulders no matter what :)
- If we don`t have a education system, were would we learn about the world and socialize?
Education is a very important tool, forget that dumb music(The music is a form of sub-control in that case,they only sing what people wanted to listen, they don`t take that serious after all. At last i hope not.)
Knowledge is the most valuable asset we get and some time is for free
You don`t think some conspiracy theories are actually manipulating you and me to thin the way they want us think?
Every media is manipulative
The education system for the working or poor is a reality new thing, it was created to make us efficient workers. It was not created for us to establish our own value and power,
Main stream Music is completely controlled, from the tuning, the phrasing, the key, the lyrics, the image, colours , video ,everything! Avoid it at all costs. Listen to PUNKROCK ;)
Every form of media is attempting to manipulate us , I agree. That is the nature of of it. But I do firmly believe that there are a number of hidden agendas that have been playing a long game way beyond our 70 year life span, that continue to this day. Factions and houses fighting for control in this reality and more.
- Workers are a necessity to keep society boat flowing on the sea of life, if they don`t give it that, the one thing different would be more people unenployed and starving on the streets. There`s is a point were we all learn to see the world with our eyes. If we want to blind follow or to be the one making decisions it`s our right.
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True it is your right but you must first be aware that you have that choice!! Most people don't realise that they can be as awesome as the celebrity they idolise. Most people will believe that if they work hard , raise kids and keep going that a) they will get down time in retirement and b) be rewarded by their god after death. When most probably they will be to either dead, or too week, ill, poor or busy to relax in retirement or the God they devoted themselves too was dead also.
I defo believe the best school is self learning. Everyone in this forum has already mastered that so - we all sorted.
Education is a very important tool, forget that dumb music(The music is a form of sub-control in that case,they only sing what people wanted to listen, they don`t take that serious after all. At last i hope not.)
Knowledge is the most valuable asset we get and some time is for free
You don`t think some conspiracy theories are actually manipulating you and me to thin the way they want us think?
Every media is manipulative
The education system for the working or poor is a reality new thing, it was created to make us efficient workers. It was not created for us to establish our own value and power,
Main stream Music is completely controlled, from the tuning, the phrasing, the key, the lyrics, the image, colours , video ,everything! Avoid it at all costs. Listen to PUNKROCK ;)
Every form of media is attempting to manipulate us , I agree. That is the nature of of it. But I do firmly believe that there are a number of hidden agendas that have been playing a long game way beyond our 70 year life span, that continue to this day. Factions and houses fighting for control in this reality and more.
- Workers are a necessity to keep society boat flowing on the sea of life, if they don`t give it that, the one thing different would be more people unenployed and starving on the streets. There`s is a point were we all learn to see the world with our eyes. If we want to blind follow or to be the one making decisions it`s our right.
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True it is your right but you must first be aware that you have that choice!! Most people don't realise that they can be as awesome as the celebrity they idolise. Most people will believe that if they work hard , raise kids and keep going that a) they will get down time in retirement and b) be rewarded by their god after death. When most probably they will be to either dead, or too week, ill, poor or busy to relax in retirement or the God they devoted themselves too was dead also.
I defo believe the best school is self learning. Everyone in this forum has already mastered that so - we all sorted.
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