I watched that video posted in this thread by Kevork Almassian called "The truth about Xinjiang and the Uygur problem" but he doesnt seem to actually claim the persecution doesnt exist, he seems to just be saying that U.S. and Turkey are using Uyghurs as pawns in Syria and other international matters. Thats the funny thing though, this thread isnt actually about how the CIA and Turkey funded terrorists who happened to be Uyghur, I made this thread to discuss the brutal persecution of Turkic groups living in Turkestan, which China calls Xinjiang. If I was a Kazakh kid living in Xinjiang watching my community be put into camps for offenses as innocuous as studying Arabic, I dont think I'd care what a terrorist on the other side of the world is doing and I'd probably be confused by people on the internet using it as a way to discredit the legitimacy of the suffering being inflicted on my community. If anything I would probably be hoping the U.S. and Turkey and all the military industrial complex really are arming and funding Uyghur terrorist militias, because if someone put my family in a camp for studying Arabic I would gladly take that person and brutally behead them while singing nasheed and put it all on liveleak. It would be a perfectly deserved fate.
I did take issue with one part of Kevork's video which was that he presented the Turkic tribes as moving east into China from central Asia, but actually around 1500 years ago when we first have records of Turkic peoples they are already living in the inner Asian steppelands like Xinjiang unlike the Han who were then limited to the eastern and southern parts of modern day China. He presented it as essentially being the Eastern equivalent of Turks migrating into Anatolia which is a pretty egregious mistake assuming it wasnt an intentional spin.
He seems like he is generally a pretty reasonable guy though, and I thought he made some good sense in this video talking about the Kurdish controlling the Al-Jazira region in Syria despite being only a minority of the population and persecuting neighbourhoods that are loyalists to Asad:
An interesting excerpt: "Its some sort of an ethnic cleansing without really killing or slaughtering these people, but when you deprive them of food, medicine, water, etc. you are telling them to leave, so in my opinion ethnic cleansing is not only when you ethnically cleanse people as the Ottomans did, but also through deportations or forcing them to resettle in other areas."
A pretty bold take, Im not so sure I'd go that far myself, but at the very least I'd be pretty surprised if he turned around and "debunked" the Uyghur genocide.
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Luigi wrote:I watched that video posted in this thread by Kevork Almassian called "The truth about Xinjiang and the Uygur problem" but he doesnt seem to actually claim the persecution doesnt exist, he seems to just be saying that U.S. and Turkey are using Uyghurs as pawns in Syria and other international matters. Thats the funny thing though, this thread isnt actually about how the CIA and Turkey funded terrorists who happened to be Uyghur, I made this thread to discuss the brutal persecution of Turkic groups living in Turkestan, which China calls Xinjiang. If I was a Kazakh kid living in Xinjiang watching my community be put into camps for offenses as innocuous as studying Arabic, I dont think I'd care what a terrorist on the other side of the world is doing and I'd probably be confused by people on the internet using it as a way to discredit the legitimacy of the suffering being inflicted on my community. If anything I would probably be hoping the U.S. and Turkey and all the military industrial complex really are arming and funding Uyghur terrorist militias, because if someone put my family in a camp for studying Arabic I would gladly take that person and brutally behead them while singing nasheed and put it all on liveleak. It would be a perfectly deserved fate.
I did take issue with one part of Kevork's video which was that he presented the Turkic tribes as moving east into China from central Asia, but actually around 1500 years ago when we first have records of Turkic peoples they are already living in the inner Asian steppelands like Xinjiang unlike the Han who were then limited to the eastern and southern parts of modern day China. He presented it as essentially being the Eastern equivalent of Turks migrating into Anatolia which is a pretty egregious mistake assuming it wasnt an intentional spin.
He seems like he is generally a pretty reasonable guy though, and I thought he made some good sense in this video talking about the Kurdish controlling the Al-Jazira region in Syria despite being only a minority of the population and persecuting neighbourhoods that are loyalists to Asad:
An interesting excerpt: "Its some sort of an ethnic cleansing without really killing or slaughtering these people, but when you deprive them of food, medicine, water, etc. you are telling them to leave, so in my opinion ethnic cleansing is not only when you ethnically cleanse people as the Ottomans did, but also through deportations or forcing them to resettle in other areas."
A pretty bold take, Im not so sure I'd go that far myself, but at the very least I'd be pretty surprised if he turned around and "debunked" the Uyghur genocide.
Kevork is actually an expert on Syria, not China. If you're ready and willing to hear the Uyghur genocide narrative debunked listen to Ajit Singh in the final video I posted. Apparently, according to Singh, most of what we're reading in Western media about the situation in Xinjiang traces back to a report by a US NGO that interviewed eight people, and to a German Christian Zionist figure called Adrian Zenz who cites reports from a Uyghur nationalist organization in Turkey. and this information has then been funneled through mainstream sources like the NY Times out into the public conversation. No one as of yet has presented real evidence that anything like a 'Uyghur genocide' is going on, as far as I can tell it's all US letter agency propaganda.
FWIW I do believe there is a crackdown against Islamist terrorism going on in Xingjiang personally but this 'Uyghur genocide' seems to be the State Department pushing false narrative through friendly ngos. This whole thing reeks of Saddam Hussein incubator babies style invasion pretext talk from the CIA. I smelled it in 2002 and I smell it again now.
Actually I've had a look back through this thread and I'm repeating myself. You guys believe what you will.
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Leaving Uighurs aside, but while I'm on the topic.
Did you guys know The New CIA is woke?
Check it out friends
Did you guys know The New CIA is woke?
Check it out friends
Final Note.
China and the Uyghurs. Listen to the second half of this video starting at 127:00.
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