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Re: Russia attacks Ukraine

Postby Megaterio Llamas » Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:22 am

Luigi wrote:Hurka was simply a nationalist soldier working in collaboration with a Western enemy of Russia to fight Russian imperialism. Ukrainian SS was just the Azov Battalion of his day. If anything we should be more sympathetic of him since he was fighting Stalin who systematically starved Ukrainians to death.


That's probably true. A lot of them were just nationalists. The same thing happened in Finland and the Baltics.
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Postby Masato » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:52 pm

Luigi wrote:Hurka was simply a nationalist soldier working in collaboration with a Western enemy of Russia to fight Russian imperialism. Ukrainian SS was just the Azov Battalion of his day. If anything we should be more sympathetic of him since he was fighting Stalin who systematically starved Ukrainians to death.


This might be the only place on the internet I can have a sane discussion about that debacle lol

Great post.
The way folks can go from a standing ovation to complete demonization based on some slight semantics is crazy. They don't even know why anymore they are just trying to obey narratives that contradict.
What a mess it must be for them trying to jump from one virtue signal to the next lol

I have no problems with Hurka. If I was in his shoes I probably would have tried to help fight the Russians too.
All wars are like this, you can hardly differentiate the soldiers of one army from the soldiers on the other. All heroes, all villains alike.

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Postby Masato » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:53 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote:
Luigi wrote:Hurka was simply a nationalist soldier working in collaboration with a Western enemy of Russia to fight Russian imperialism. Ukrainian SS was just the Azov Battalion of his day. If anything we should be more sympathetic of him since he was fighting Stalin who systematically starved Ukrainians to death.


That's probably true. A lot of them were just nationalists. The same thing happened in Finland and the Baltics.


Russian Bolshevism/Communism was terrifying, I'd imagine.

I don't blame them at all for not just rolling over and getting assimilated.

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Postby Megaterio Llamas » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:04 am

Don't forget to order a crate of Zelensky Os


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Postby Edge Guerrero » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:39 pm

Ukraine hosts a defense industry forum seeking to ramp up weapons production for the war

BY HANNA ARHIROVA
Updated 3:55 AM BRT, September 30, 2023


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine hosted an international defense industry conference as part of a government effort to ramp up weapons production within the country to repel Russia’s full-scale invasion and reduce foreign dependence on arms deliveries.

The event marked a new development in support of Ukraine, with the previous focus being on the delivery of weapons, repair of damaged equipment and military training of Ukrainian soldiers.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, speaking at the opening of the International Defense Industries Forum, said that around 250 defense companies from more than 30 countries had gathered Friday in Kyiv. Defense ministers and representatives of several countries also attended the event.

“Heroism alone cannot intercept missiles. Ukraine needs capabilities, high quality, high quantity, and quickly. There is no defense without industry,” said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who spoke by video link during the forum on the day after his visit to Kyiv.

Stoltenberg said that Wendy Gilmour, who is NATO’s assistant secretary general for defense investments, was representing the trans-Atlantic alliance at the event.

Stoltenberg acknowledged that many allies have significantly depleted their stocks in order to support Ukraine.This was the right thing to do, but now we need to ramp up production, both to meet Ukraine’s needs and to ensure our own deterrence in events,” he said.

Zelenskyy disclosed the details of his recent trip to Washington, where he agreed with U.S. President Joe Biden on “the establishment of a new industrial ecosystem that will strengthen both Ukraine and all the partners.” Zelenskyy described it as “one of the key outcomes” of his negotiations with Biden in Washington.

Zelenskyy’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, said that there will be meetings soon with representatives from the U.S. “to determine the road map of cooperation with the partners about localization of production, specifically in Ukraine.”

During the forum, Zelenskyy announced the creation of the Defense Industries Alliance and added that 13 defense companies have already signed the corresponding declaration.

To support the cooperation and develop an industry complex, Ukraine plans to establish a special fund, which will be paid into through dividends from state defense resources and profits from the sale of confiscated Russian assets, Zelenskyy said.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said the first talks about joint production with allies began last fall. “At first, we were talking about repairs within Ukraine, and then about joint production. And now, this topic is prevalent everywhere,” said Kuleba.

According to Kuleba, in discussions with the partners, there is also a tremendous interest in the experience and production capabilities of Ukrainian businesses.

“Just as we have benefited from Western weapons, Western arms manufacturers also gain unique advantages in the market to improve their models and create even more powerful weapons,” Kuleba said.

Ukraine’s recently appointed Defense Minister, Rustem Umerov, said the country must do everything possible to produce all the necessary military services and products in Ukraine for the needs of its army. The other priority is the development of defense technologies that now play an important role on the battlefield.

“Our vision is to develop world-class military products,” Umerov said.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-defense-forum-weapons-production-russia-war-1f526a0704b69ef0a6300585acde0a93
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Postby Masato » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:16 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote:Don't forget to order a crate of Zelensky Os


https://www.zelenskyos.com/


LOLOLOLOL

Amazing find

That has to be a parody of some sort. And yet....

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Postby Megaterio Llamas » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:29 pm

Masato wrote:
Megaterio Llamas wrote:Don't forget to order a crate of Zelensky Os


https://www.zelenskyos.com/


LOLOLOLOL

Amazing find

That has to be a parody of some sort. And yet....


They're rich in high fructose corn syrup ;)
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Postby Masato » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:28 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote:
Masato wrote:
Megaterio Llamas wrote:Don't forget to order a crate of Zelensky Os


https://www.zelenskyos.com/


LOLOLOLOL

Amazing find

That has to be a parody of some sort. And yet....


They're rich in high fructose corn syrup ;)


Nasty.
Why humans are still doing this?

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Postby Edge Guerrero » Thu Oct 05, 2023 4:08 pm

Biden says he's worried about Ukraine aid. The Pentagon warns it's running low
Updated October 4, 20234:26 PM ET
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Tamara Keith, Tom Bowman, Greg Myre

President Biden said he is worried that disarray in Congress could undermine his promise to give Ukraine what it needs for its fight against Russia — concerns that come as the Pentagon warns that military aid in Ukraine is rapidly running out.

NPR has learned the Pentagon has warned U.S. lawmakers that they urgently need to approve more aid to prevent a disruption in the flow of weapons to Ukraine.

Biden had asked Congress for $24 billion for fresh military, humanitarian and economic aid for Ukraine through the end of the calendar year. But the House of Representatives left that out of the recent stopgap measure that keeps government funded through Nov. 17.

Now, the ouster of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has created even greater uncertainty about the fate of that request.

"It does worry me," Biden said. "But I know there are a majority of members of the House and Senate, in both parties, who have said that they support funding Ukraine."

At least one of the candidates to replace McCarthy — Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, — has publicly said that he opposes additional funding for Ukraine.

Biden plans a major address to make the case for Ukraine

Polls show a growing number of Americans — particularly Republicans — feel the United States is giving too much money to Ukraine. That has fueled opposition to the aid among House Republicans.

Biden said he plans to soon deliver a major address to try to persuade the American public that continued support for Ukraine is in the national interest.

"I'm going to make the argument that it's overwhelmingly in the interests of the United States of America that Ukraine succeed," Biden said. "I don't think we should let gamesmanship get in the way of blocking it."

Ukraine's supporters say ongoing funding is critical as Ukraine presses an offensive against Russian troops in the south and the east of the country. The operation has been moving more slowly, and at a higher cost in lives and equipment, than many predicted.

In addition, Ukraine is bracing for a repeat of the Russian onslaught last winter, when Ukraine's civilian power grid came under sustained Russian bombardment. Ukrainians say they need to bolster air defenses to prevent, or at least limit, the rolling blackouts they faced last winter.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/04/1203685361/biden-says-hes-worried-about-ukraine-aid-he-plans-to-give-a-major-address-about-
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