Redneck wrote:Masato wrote:
Do you think Hitler was:
a) a knowing and willing agent of this plan (ie; a Rothschild fraud)?
b) a genuine opponent of the Allied conspiracy, but unaware he was actually being used/set up as part of their plan?
c) a genuine opponent that the Allied conspiracy did NOT plan or expect, but dealt with accordingly
Was the whole point of the Treaty of Versailles, to create an extremist group in Germany? Were the impossible conditions placed on Germany after WWI specifically designed to foster an anger and rile up a group like the Nazis, then fund them, allow them to grow, and then start the war they wanted??
I have been moved by some material presenting Hitler as a heroic character that stood up against the forces of darkness, evil, and corruption... and its a great tale, but at the same time I can't shake the notion that his extremism and fighting back was also exactly what was needed to achieve the goals.
So was he a real opponent or not? This is something I fear I will never know. But it sucks because the whole narrative on WWII for me kind of hinges on this question. Big difference of how I see the whole thing based on that one point
Thanks in advance
I think he believed he was a genuine revolutionary and he never wanted to fight the Allies, (apart from Russia). When he was identified by the powers that be as the best guy to back in Germany, it was done discretely and without Hitler suspecting who was really funding the rising from the ashes of Germany as a world power. He wanted to unify Europe, and if you take the claims about the Holocaust out of the equation, he was doing a good job. He may have discovered in his later years that he was a dupe, and agreed to a retreat in Argentina in return for his surrender.
Thank you Redneck, amazing
It would seem Hitler underestimated the level of collusion between the Bolsheviks and the rest of the Allied forces.
I still say it would have been incredibly dumb to not expect revolutionary groups to rise out of the Treaty of Versailles. They are smarter than that, it would seem a foregone conclusion, no? I am leaning more and more to the idea that the Third Reich was deliberately set up from these conditions and 'allowed' to rise. (the creation of extremist groups still comes in handy today, lol) Perhaps they even fed them some elite insider secrets to make them even more obsessive? haha what a great story that would make lol. So was Hitler an insider actor then in this dupe on the German people? I don't think so, I tend to agree with you that he was likely genuine in his belief in his cause. But if this is the case, I wonder at what point the Nazis figured out they had been set up? Maybe early in the game, but they thought they could win anyways? Or late, as the US entered the war? Or maybe never, its too grand a plan to conceive of?
I am finding these questions more and more important... not just curiosity for history, but crucial things to examine that put our current day into serious perspective. We are all products of those wars, yet have been sold a mickey mouse version of events, and conditioned not to give a fuck anyways. But some people know... the winners of the wars. And who is it they say gets to write the His-story?
This shit is important. You can't understand the present geo-political system of today imo without putting a whole lot of history in perspective.
For instance, do you find it a coincidence that the Federal Reserve in the US was created just ONE YEAR before WWI 'broke out'? Do you find that convenient? I mean, how else could anyone conceive of funding a WORLD FUCKING WAR? That's expensive! lol So ya think maybe the creators of the Federal Reserve (aka the boys of Jekyll Island) maybe had some interest in the thing? Gee, ya think?? But nobody ever seems to put this together..(?)
Thread the links, folks. There is a grand story being unfolded.
Help us unfold it.