^ yes, I also saw enough in the past few days to understand that many kids were indeed evacuated. Pictures from the firehall, etc. Hardcores could say they were pictures from previous drills etc but I think that is silly speculation. Lots of images, school probably got evacuated out as stated. Its just likely
I see what you mean, a few major SH pillars get knocked out and there quickly begins to have little to stand on. Still a few great oddities, maybe they hit on it in the 2nd half
I'm a bit ill from it all for now, will take a break for a bit I think
Thanks again for the stacked thread. I think its quite natural to develop confirmation bias, its nice to have friends to give us s smack when we go too far and help us review the other side for some balance lol
Do you personally feel that it was all Adam Lanza then? Just a crazed lone gunman/no one else? The men running in the woods, etc? The gun discrepancies? Could he have not been a controlled patsy like James Holmes or so many other similar CTs?
What is your personal view on the happy smiling parents? That is still the very weirdest to me... those Anderson Cooper/Rosen/Parker bits and Obama drop-ins all feel so FALSE to me, many other vids too, they just look fake as hell. I suppose that is just subjective though...
I still stand with my original theory, that something happened that the government simply did not want released, and a cover-story was quickly written up and fed to the media to cover the truth, whatever it was. Lotsa fake shit mixed in with real shit, and we run around in futility trying to fill in pieces we will never comprehend
The Sandy Hook Investigations
I'm a bit ill from it all for now, will take a break for a bit I think
I hear ya man, I reached burnout one day when I was taking part in the superbowl kids thread. going through all the kids’ pictures, parents’ blogs, etc was tough (obviously because I think kids did die). it was reading about Josephine gay to be specific. after that, I decided it was just negativity overload. stepped away for a bit. but the disinfo campaign always interested me & the wolfgang story continues. imho, that’s even “kookier” than the SH story itself & getting stranger by the minute.
it all was brought up again with holmes trial & thomas brinkley/michael cravey for me. I noticed (& could be wrong) that every event following aurora had a strong disinfo campaign accompanying it right afterward, but never once with aurora. could that possibly have had anything to do with them realizing they needed to control/dominate the alternative media & youtube crowd as well? SH, BB, Houston, Canada, hebdo, Charleston, now even Chattanooga (missing a ton I’m sure) have all had hoax vids out almost immediately. some easily discredited. this many people cannot be this ignorant. is this by some grand design to discredit & divide? or just wannabe webstar opportunists fishing for views? I'm inclined to believe there is something more to it. it's so easily discredited most of the time. that's my tin foil hat moment.
Do you personally feel that it was all Adam Lanza then? Just a crazed lone gunman/no one else? The men running in the woods, etc? The gun discrepancies? Could he have not been a controlled patsy like James Holmes or so many other similar CTs?
million dollar question. I have no idea. sometimes I think it was lanza with an accomplice. sometimes I think he was a patsy dumped @ the scene, other times I believe he may have done this & was executed by a PO out of rage (long story). I honestly don't know what to think, but I'm 99% sure this was no staged FEMA drill (hoax) & we could never seem to get past that @ ey.com. I even brought up the 2nd gunman theory recently in that OG thread & EY dismissed it as "my latest shill tactic" to "pose as a conspiracy guy" to try & detract from wolfgang & the hoax. lolololol. this thread is a good read if interested in SH. 40 pages though :shock:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=2462791&page=37.
& my gawd @ the shilling for halbig now is out of control. full retard.
some things definitely don't add up. the jackets (though I just learned that the car keys were found on the passenger seat which could mean that lanza went around the car, grabbed the gun that was covered with the jacket & dropped the keys on the seat. that could explain two jackets. COULD.), inconsistent weapon damage, 911 calls, police chatter, early TV reports, etc all suggest the possibility of more than one gunmen.
What is your personal view on the happy smiling parents? That is still the very weirdest to me... those Anderson Cooper/Rosen/Parker bits and Obama drop-ins all feel so FALSE to me, many other vids too, they just look fake as hell. I suppose that is just subjective though...
I think robbie parker stepping up to the mic is odd for sure. gene rosen too. like I said, possible media plants? sounds a bit tinfoil-ish but it's the only reasonable way I can justify some of the odd behavior or rosen's story changing. the parents smiling during interviews months after doesn't really bother me that much. I can see people being able to hold it together. I've seen laughter @ funerals. I have also seen videos of parents breaking down but the hoaxers don't ever show those. they are out there. posted @ ey even. green screens mean nothing to me. MSM laziness imo. just because they use one to report on news doesn't necessarily mean that what they are reporting on is fake. greens screens are very common. misleading? sure. proof of hoax? not imo. they were busted using green screens for the gulf war coverage, but the war obviously happened. anderson cooper is a bitch & the media exploiting something to push an agenda is not surprising. it's as guaranteed as death & taxes.
I still stand with my original theory, that something happened that the government simply did not want released, and a cover-story was quickly written up and fed to the media to cover the truth, whatever it was. Lotsa fake shit mixed in with real shit, and we run around in futility trying to fill in pieces we will never comprehend
I think that is a GREAT theory & one I've pondered. kind of ties in with the rosen/parker media plants. I also think there could be something to the aurora, sikh & SH shootings all being somehow interconnected/related & covered up for national security reasons. all three had multiple accounts of people describing more than one perpetrator, and all three hushed up rather quickly & passed off as the work of a lone gunmen, despite evidence proving otherwise. my only problem with this though is how they convinced the patsies (holmes, page, lanza) to play along. another tin foil hat moment, but cravey/brinkley can be awfully convincing :D
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They don't need to convince anyone to play along, adam lanza and james Holmes are both mentally deficient and drugged to the gills. You'll never hear them speak for themselves in the media in their own defense. Or in any other capacity. Even if they did, no one would listen, the media has seen to that.
America is drowning in treachery and few seem to notice or care.
America is drowning in treachery and few seem to notice or care.
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.
Canuckster wrote:They don't need to convince anyone to play along, adam lanza and james Holmes are both mentally deficient and drugged to the gills. You'll never hear them speak for themselves in the media in their own defense. Or in any other capacity. Even if they did, no one would listen, the media has seen to that.
America is drowning in treachery and few seem to notice or care.
well, that's sort of the key for me to understand things... how the media reacts.
Time and time again, something happens where the mainstream media CLEARLY is ignoring important questions and issues, all in perfect harmony with each other/following the same script.
Security cameras, which would clear up SO much, are not released. We never get to hear/see from the suspects. Key info omitted... obvious leads and questions that any basic journalist should follow not followed, narratives that simply don't make logical sense, etc etc Yet the media continue reading the dummy cards blank-faced, as if all these questions just aren't there.
When these same blatant patterns occur, it should immediately be considered suspicious imo. Too often this has reached levels of total absurdity... I really don't know how anyone can take it seriously anymore tbh
The media is the filter on everything... I think it should be target #1, if it is one day discredited permanently, a great weapon of the enemy will have been lost.
masato - did you get a chance to watch the firehouse & check in sign vid? more to your liking? that radio show was a bad call.
gotta somewhat disagree with you there. lanza had apserger's but he was far from mentally deficient. holmes was prob smarter than both you & I.
holmes actually spoke for himself during questioning & testimony in the trial. I dropped the videos in the aurora thread. granted, this was almost 2-3 months after NO ONE but doctors & psychologists had access to him. any number of things could have been going on behind the scenes. considering his studies & connections in 'temporal illusions', I'd say anything is possible with him @ this point. the guy we see/hear now is not the same guy from earlier videos.
truth. But I don't condemn the entire media. every now & then someone does get it right. unfortunately, shortly afterward they are usually ostracized & run out of MSM. this was ben swann questioning the official aurora narrative on FOX nightly local news shortly after it happened. he also calls out the rest of the MSM for ignoring obvious, more pressing questions regarding the case, & instead choosing to exploit the tragedy to push an obvious agenda (also posted in the aurora thread):
I agree. I don't think people can completely trust both the mainstream & alternative media. It's best to find a few sources you trust as a starting point, do your own fact-checking, vet the source & make up your own mind. everything is available with a little effort, we shouldn't have to rely on being spoon-fed the news anymore. anyone who buys into the bullshit from either side without a little fact checking will fail to ever see the big picture. some prefer the bliss of ignorance, others bask in the misguided notion of "being in the know", while the remaining few (unfortunately) simply strive for the truth which is usually a never-ending quest with the answers likely found somewhere in between (if found @ all).
I don't think too many people rely on the MSM anymore. mostly, just the "ignorance is bliss" types. It's been embarrassingly exposed a few times lately with little to no pushback. too far gone imo. that's what makes the "alternative" media so dangerous now, it is just as unreliable & it's supposed to hold the MSM in check. pretty much on our own in places like this.
Canuckster wrote:They don't need to convince anyone to play along, adam lanza and james Holmes are both mentally deficient and drugged to the gills. You'll never hear them speak for themselves in the media in their own defense. Or in any other capacity. Even if they did, no one would listen, the media has seen to that.
gotta somewhat disagree with you there. lanza had apserger's but he was far from mentally deficient. holmes was prob smarter than both you & I.
holmes actually spoke for himself during questioning & testimony in the trial. I dropped the videos in the aurora thread. granted, this was almost 2-3 months after NO ONE but doctors & psychologists had access to him. any number of things could have been going on behind the scenes. considering his studies & connections in 'temporal illusions', I'd say anything is possible with him @ this point. the guy we see/hear now is not the same guy from earlier videos.
Masato wrote:
well, that's sort of the key for me to understand things... how the media reacts.
Time and time again, something happens where the mainstream media CLEARLY is ignoring important questions and issues, all in perfect harmony with each other/following the same script.
Security cameras, which would clear up SO much, are not released. We never get to hear/see from the suspects. Key info omitted... obvious leads and questions that any basic journalist should follow not followed, narratives that simply don't make logical sense, etc etc Yet the media continue reading the dummy cards blank-faced, as if all these questions just aren't there.
truth. But I don't condemn the entire media. every now & then someone does get it right. unfortunately, shortly afterward they are usually ostracized & run out of MSM. this was ben swann questioning the official aurora narrative on FOX nightly local news shortly after it happened. he also calls out the rest of the MSM for ignoring obvious, more pressing questions regarding the case, & instead choosing to exploit the tragedy to push an obvious agenda (also posted in the aurora thread):
When these same blatant patterns occur, it should immediately be considered suspicious imo. Too often this has reached levels of total absurdity... I really don't know how anyone can take it seriously anymore tbh
the media is the filter on everything... I think it should be target #1, if it is one day discredited permanently, a great weapon of the enemy will have been lost.
I agree. I don't think people can completely trust both the mainstream & alternative media. It's best to find a few sources you trust as a starting point, do your own fact-checking, vet the source & make up your own mind. everything is available with a little effort, we shouldn't have to rely on being spoon-fed the news anymore. anyone who buys into the bullshit from either side without a little fact checking will fail to ever see the big picture. some prefer the bliss of ignorance, others bask in the misguided notion of "being in the know", while the remaining few (unfortunately) simply strive for the truth which is usually a never-ending quest with the answers likely found somewhere in between (if found @ all).
I don't think too many people rely on the MSM anymore. mostly, just the "ignorance is bliss" types. It's been embarrassingly exposed a few times lately with little to no pushback. too far gone imo. that's what makes the "alternative" media so dangerous now, it is just as unreliable & it's supposed to hold the MSM in check. pretty much on our own in places like this.
Confirmed: Paypal has terminated Wolfgang Halbig's Account
http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/07/confirmed-paypal-has-terminated.html
http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/07/confirmed-paypal-has-terminated.html
Sandy Hook Facts was pleased to learn Paypal terminated Sandy Hook Justice's account, purportedly for unspecified violations of the user agreement. Wolfgang Halbig made the announcement by proxy through Sandy Hook Hoax group, who added ominously "[Halbig] is pissed!"
Paypal will not release details as to why the financial giant terminated Halbig's account. It is easy to speculate that Paypal found raising money off of the Sandy Hook tragedy by making false, outrageous statements to be objectionable to Paypal's own terms of service; however, it's possible Paypal discovered something much more sinister at play, behind the scenes. Today, Wolfgang Halbig updated his website to remove the "PayPal" button from his page; therefore, the matter is obviously settled. Hopefully Halbig releases some of the email's he sent to Paypal; I bet they were doozies!
Halbig's website now asks you to go ahead send money directly to Halbig's home address.
Halbig appears persona non grata far and wide based on several recent devastating defeats. Paypal's cancellation follows Halbig's ill-fated FOIA failure and an embarrassing formal warning never to return to the St. Rose of Lima School and Parish by the Legal Officer of the Bridgeport Diocese. Paypal's action also follows the termination of Wolfgang Halbig's GoFundMe crowdfunding site.
^ this could be 1 of 2 things of course
either he is fraudulent, or this is a method of shutting him down
You and EY keep me on the fence so much I'm getting vertigo.
I am starting to suspect a reality somewhere in between; Halbig believes in what he does, but is kind of a buffoon and certainly no saint.
Sometimes I want to cheer for him, other times I face palm in embarrassment
either he is fraudulent, or this is a method of shutting him down
You and EY keep me on the fence so much I'm getting vertigo.
I am starting to suspect a reality somewhere in between; Halbig believes in what he does, but is kind of a buffoon and certainly no saint.
Sometimes I want to cheer for him, other times I face palm in embarrassment
^ truth. that's why I dropped it w/o comment...
but if they were looking to shut him down, I don’t know why they would wait almost 3 years & over $80K to do it. it’s not like he is getting any closer to exposing the supposed SH hoax & his “evidence” & theories are even more laughable & easily disproven now than they were before. @ the onset, a few of his 16 questions were actually legit. the EMT response, chopper, declaration, etc. once they were answered, & the donations kept rolling in, he had to keep up the show somehow. @ this point, he has nothing to anyone who has been paying attention (or simply watched the FOI farce) & is losing way more followers than he is gaining. would be an odd time to shut him down imo.
my guess would be (& the timing would suggest) that it might have something to do with his insistence on acquiring the identity of minors (SB kids), him & his group being caught & questioned by the police videotaping children as they were leaving school and/or his fraudulent SH justice charity filing papers (mostly this imho). just my guess though.
with that said, I don’t agree with it (paypal). anyone gullible enough to donate to halbig should be allowed to do so unless/until he breaks the law in some way. personally, I would LOVE to see wolf & his lawyer take on the NFL (lol) in a real court. something tells me that wolf himself, and/or his experience, credentials & background, wouldn't hold up too well under scrutiny.
but if they were looking to shut him down, I don’t know why they would wait almost 3 years & over $80K to do it. it’s not like he is getting any closer to exposing the supposed SH hoax & his “evidence” & theories are even more laughable & easily disproven now than they were before. @ the onset, a few of his 16 questions were actually legit. the EMT response, chopper, declaration, etc. once they were answered, & the donations kept rolling in, he had to keep up the show somehow. @ this point, he has nothing to anyone who has been paying attention (or simply watched the FOI farce) & is losing way more followers than he is gaining. would be an odd time to shut him down imo.
my guess would be (& the timing would suggest) that it might have something to do with his insistence on acquiring the identity of minors (SB kids), him & his group being caught & questioned by the police videotaping children as they were leaving school and/or his fraudulent SH justice charity filing papers (mostly this imho). just my guess though.
with that said, I don’t agree with it (paypal). anyone gullible enough to donate to halbig should be allowed to do so unless/until he breaks the law in some way. personally, I would LOVE to see wolf & his lawyer take on the NFL (lol) in a real court. something tells me that wolf himself, and/or his experience, credentials & background, wouldn't hold up too well under scrutiny.
Hey Daglord
Was listening to some good SH vids, but then my computer crashed and I can't recall the names or authors of what I was watching.
Basically they were also discussing how fragile the Halbig case is. They also agreed he may be doing what he thinks is right, but is getting a lot of shit wrong. Lots of his '16 questions' are stupid and have been explained. It would be logical that he would need money to continue pursuing his cases, but apparently he was doing similar fundraising for bleeding heart cases before SH. This also proves little, maybe he's just a natural do-gooder at heart and likes this stuff.
One vid said that he had connections with JEB BUSH, but again I lost the link before I could re-listen and/or follow up on the details. Have you heard of this?
I can honestly see him being a real hero, but maybe just a little slow or behind on his research and reasoning. He's only human after all, and SH is confusing as fuck.
Two other interesting things I learned:
1. that 'We need to talk about Sandy Hook' is a horseshit video. I believe it is very probable to be deliberate disinfo to steer curious minds into buffonery so they dismiss it. It had a much nicer presentation (graphics, animation etc) than any other vid, and went viral FAST, even though there are maybe hundreds of other vids out there. Also it AVOIDS many major crucial points, and labors painfully on other really stupid and explainable points.
2. they ripped Fetzer a new one. Said he has all kinds of fraudulent history, and is way more obvious of a shill than Halbig.
If I were to place bets now, I'd say that Halbig is doing what he thinks is right, yet has a tendency to embellish his credentials, is not the sharpest cat (see; his grammar, lol), and is likely being quietly monitored and assisted as long as he keeps making an ass of himself and offending people.
Also it was interesting that at least according to the talk on the videos (it was an interview, actually), that there is a substantial movement that is aspiring to also take certain things to court, but are doing a bit better preparation as to making sure they hit the RIGHT questions, and don't make the same mistakes Halbig is making.
EY recently posted a vid of Halbig claiming that all kinds of people are MISSING. Very alarming but again I have not seen the hard evidence, it could just Halbig making these claims because he called a few times and no one answered, lol
Was listening to some good SH vids, but then my computer crashed and I can't recall the names or authors of what I was watching.
Basically they were also discussing how fragile the Halbig case is. They also agreed he may be doing what he thinks is right, but is getting a lot of shit wrong. Lots of his '16 questions' are stupid and have been explained. It would be logical that he would need money to continue pursuing his cases, but apparently he was doing similar fundraising for bleeding heart cases before SH. This also proves little, maybe he's just a natural do-gooder at heart and likes this stuff.
One vid said that he had connections with JEB BUSH, but again I lost the link before I could re-listen and/or follow up on the details. Have you heard of this?
I can honestly see him being a real hero, but maybe just a little slow or behind on his research and reasoning. He's only human after all, and SH is confusing as fuck.
Two other interesting things I learned:
1. that 'We need to talk about Sandy Hook' is a horseshit video. I believe it is very probable to be deliberate disinfo to steer curious minds into buffonery so they dismiss it. It had a much nicer presentation (graphics, animation etc) than any other vid, and went viral FAST, even though there are maybe hundreds of other vids out there. Also it AVOIDS many major crucial points, and labors painfully on other really stupid and explainable points.
2. they ripped Fetzer a new one. Said he has all kinds of fraudulent history, and is way more obvious of a shill than Halbig.
If I were to place bets now, I'd say that Halbig is doing what he thinks is right, yet has a tendency to embellish his credentials, is not the sharpest cat (see; his grammar, lol), and is likely being quietly monitored and assisted as long as he keeps making an ass of himself and offending people.
Also it was interesting that at least according to the talk on the videos (it was an interview, actually), that there is a substantial movement that is aspiring to also take certain things to court, but are doing a bit better preparation as to making sure they hit the RIGHT questions, and don't make the same mistakes Halbig is making.
EY recently posted a vid of Halbig claiming that all kinds of people are MISSING. Very alarming but again I have not seen the hard evidence, it could just Halbig making these claims because he called a few times and no one answered, lol
good post. maybe the only area we differ is halbig's motivation. I'm still on the fence about that. he would have to be really dumb to keep going on about the stuff he does. ignorant can't even be the word anymore because that just means uninformed. @ this point, he has got to know the check-in sign was not there on the 14th, that EMTs were allowed in the building, the school was operational, his 16 questions have answers, etc. & that he has absolutely zero chance acquiring the identities of minors. all this among a million other things he keeps mentioning that have either been disproven or explained a thousand times over. I personally have explained some of this to people close to him & they simply ignore it & continue the disinformation.
so there is no way he could possibly have missed all that imho. then I wonder about the "anonymous, good samaritan state troopers" who gave him the "script" to aid his investigation. that is a whole new level of dumb. I refuse to believe anyone can be that stupid, but I could be wrong. I'm not knocking him as a retard anymore, I think I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has at least average intelligence.
imo, it started out as ignorance but is now deceit. (not sure if you have seen these on page 6. I have a tendency to bury shit). just a few examples of many scattered throughout this thread.
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that right there^ is not ignorance. that is straight up misinformation/lying. not something a "natural do-gooder @ heart" would do imo. combine all this with his documented history of trolling the comment sections of current events, previous scams/schemes, his dishonesty & affiliation with known disinfo agents & I lean towards an agenda here of some sort.
so there is no way he could possibly have missed all that imho. then I wonder about the "anonymous, good samaritan state troopers" who gave him the "script" to aid his investigation. that is a whole new level of dumb. I refuse to believe anyone can be that stupid, but I could be wrong. I'm not knocking him as a retard anymore, I think I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has at least average intelligence.
imo, it started out as ignorance but is now deceit. (not sure if you have seen these on page 6. I have a tendency to bury shit). just a few examples of many scattered throughout this thread.
that right there^ is not ignorance. that is straight up misinformation/lying. not something a "natural do-gooder @ heart" would do imo. combine all this with his documented history of trolling the comment sections of current events, previous scams/schemes, his dishonesty & affiliation with known disinfo agents & I lean towards an agenda here of some sort.
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