Had a thought

[Som-Pong]

Watching this movie about to ninjas growing up side by side with a mutual love interest. The nip succumbs to the bad side and gai jin turns more better. The girl who is the only worthy character dies. Why tragedy if supposed hero lives?

[Benwahwah]

I haven't seen the film, but if the girl dies and the hero loses out on his love interest then surely it qualifies as a tragedy?

[Masato]

He also lost his arch-nemesis.
A warrior needs at least one; enemy or woman

losing both is indeed a tragedy I would say. Unless the hero somehow changes for the better as a result... I am quite fond actually of stories where the right/best thing to happen comes through some tragedy... a sad ending but you know it was for the better in the end.

One of my favorite bitter/sweet endings is a movie called 'Duel to the Death'. It has TWO protagonists; sword-saint from China and sword-saint from Japan. They must duel, but by the time they fight, the chinese fighter values love and compassion over victory, while the jap fighter is dead-set on samurai mentality.

Spoiler:

By the end of the fight, the Chinese fighter sacrifices maiming injury to save the jap's life, and the japanese fighter has to stab/impale his own foot to the ground in order to stop himself from finishing the chinese fighter off. The chinese fighter returns home a cripple, and the japanese fighter betrayed his master's code to defeat one's opponent. - They BOTH lose, but gain the wisdom of the other... ie; the japanese questions his win-or-die philosophy, while the chinese fighter learns the value of it.

Fuckin awesome movie, one of my alltime favorites:

[Masato]

Goddamn, its up on Youtube FULL FILM:




Anyone looking for a good flick this is it. I must warn you though the story is somewhat confusing... a lot of betrayal and subtle character motivations, it took me a bunch of times to start to piece it all together. Then again I am a bit slow sometimes, lol

If anyone is interested let me know I'll give a little breakdown or answer questions. The climax I think is one of the best fight scenes ever

[Masato]

Apologies to Som for hijacking the thread :D (it is an interesting question/discussion he proposes)

[Vutulaki]

If the nip died its hardly a tragedy.

[Edge Guerrero]

- What`s movie was that Pomg?
Ninja with Scott Adkins?

[Som-Pong]

Lol masato my threads cannot be hijacked. Edge I can't remember the name. Ben I've just gotten kicked out, sort of. Not a problem. Also, the girl survived and married the white dude and they carried on their dojo tradition. Vutu if humans die in the end it's surely not a tragedy.