Any truth about the rumour on Putin wanting to nationalise..

[m25105]

the Russian central bank? Couldn't find any legit news links. So I'm relying on you clever lot :)

[Masato]

Hey m25105..! welcome back

If we really want to be 'clever' we'd realize that there is little way to REALLY know exactly wtf is happening with the major finances of the world.

We are living in a world of so much disinformation, it is likely you can find 'legit' links w/ some saying yes, some saying no.

If he is nationalizing it, how does that fit in with the BRICS Bank hooplah we've been seeing?



I don't trust the BRICS bank to be in any REAL opposition to the western oligarchies, or we'd be seeing a lot more shite slandering those countries/more infiltration by the west.

So as long as banking is continually being 'centralized', I would think that any sort of Icelandic movement in Russia right now doesn't fit the pattern.

But like I said, who the fuck really knows? Maybe I have some things backwards here too, I try to understand but am no economist

[Enock]

Real ][Dutin was killed off years ago and replaced with a more Bank of International Settlements (The Bis or Biz) friendly Putin.



Tower of Babel -

[Masato]

OK, so I have found some developments to suggest that m25105 may be on to something...

I just found a bunch of links that are cheering for HUNGARY, as according to the articles they are in the midst of their own Icelandic shift towards nationalizing their money and telling the banksters to fuck off or face charges.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/08/28/hungary-orders-rothschilds-imf-to-vacate-the-country-now-issuing-debt-free-money/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2014/07/29/strange-things-are-happening-in-hungary/

http://www.ft.com/intl/fastft/246321/hungary-buys-budapest-bank-from-ge

The funny thing is, they mention Hungary in the same crowd as Iceland AND RUSSIA... implying that Russia too is doing something similar.

but... BRICS?

I'm confused.


Great thread m25105, something is happening I will definitely keep some eyes open to understand this better. This is the SAME STUFF that is going on right now in Canada with the COMER vs Bank of Canada case.

Something is shifting here on a major level it is fascinating to see.

[m25105]

OK, so I have found some developments to suggest that m25105 may be on to something...

I just found a bunch of links that are cheering for HUNGARY, as according to the articles they are in the midst of their own Icelandic shift towards nationalizing their money and telling the banksters to fuck off or face charges.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/08/28/hungary-orders-rothschilds-imf-to-vacate-the-country-now-issuing-debt-free-money/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2014/07/29/strange-things-are-happening-in-hungary/

http://www.ft.com/intl/fastft/246321/hungary-buys-budapest-bank-from-ge

The funny thing is, they mention Hungary in the same crowd as Iceland AND RUSSIA... implying that Russia too is doing something similar.

but... BRICS?

I'm confused.


Great thread m25105, something is happening I will definitely keep some eyes open to understand this better. This is the SAME STUFF that is going on right now in Canada with the COMER vs Bank of Canada case.

Something is shifting here on a major level it is fascinating to see.

haha, hey man you're the doing the work. I'm just glad there's something to it, and not just wild rumours.

[Masato]

Yeah now you got me curious.

My political research goes in waves; sometimes I get right hooked, other times I fade out and don't care for long whiles/get back to immediate reality

It would seem he is nationalizing, AND joining the BRICS bank? I don't understand enough about money to understand.

Have a friend on the COMER team, I wish he'd post here he's got a big brain for economic stuff

[Masato]

Haven't listened yet.. but if you can stand Sibel Edmonds' voice, here is a panel that might have some credible insights on the matter. If you watch before I do please post a review

[Masato]

^ just watched

fuck I thought the video was longer, lol. I was all set for a nice long discussion

Maybe there's more somewhere, they were off to a good start

[greenseed]

there's an hour video of that discussion but you have to be a boilingfrogspost.com subscriber(which i am and recommend y'all become one yourselves; amazing site imo). i watched the whole thing a few days ago but honestly can't remember what they spoke of, doh! i'll watch it again later and take some notes for y'all. but you should really subscribe yourself. they have lots of great podcasts and articles that you wont find anywhere else.

[Masato]

RUSSIA SAYS NO TO ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT:

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-say ... nment/5957

Victor Olevich: Almost a quarter century has passed since the end of the Cold War. Yet, both Russia and the West once again find themselves at the precipice of a new Cold War. Why did Washington choose to pursue an aggressive foreign policy towards Moscow after the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991? Could these developments have been prevented?

William Lind: The Washington establishment, which is bipartisan, thought that now we could rule the world. It could dictate to everyone and it could force its ideology, which is sometimes called globalism or liberal democracy, but is in fact the soft totalitarianism of Brave New World, on everyone in the world. If necessary, with military force. This is the classic hubris that has destroyed one great power after another. There is nothing new about it.

Victor Olevich: Why has Washington chosen Ukraine as a battleground in its new Cold War against Russia?

William Lind: Russia under President Putin represents the state system and the way states normally act within the state system, based on their interests. The ideology of the Washington establishment says that is not how the world is going to work anymore. It is instead going to be essentially a one world government based in Washington. This ideology includes such concepts as the feminist definition of women’s rights, devaluation of all religions, so called gay rights, and the belief that this must be universal. Russia is saying no to this. It is saying that it still believes in the state system and is going to pursue its own interests on the world stage. So when Russia asserted its interests in the face of Ukraine threatening to join NATO, then Washington reacted very strongly.

Victor Olevich: The White House and the State Department frequently criticize Russia and other nations around the world for undermining democratic norms. Yet, Washington did not think twice about fomenting the overthrow of a democratically elected president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich and supporting a government that came to power in Kiev as a result of a coup. How do you explain these double standards? What do they say about values inherent in US foreign policy today?

William Lind: The Washington establishment defines democracy as a system of elections that elects the people it wants to be elected. If an election in another part of the world does not put in power the government that Washington wants, then Washington refuses to recognize the election. We saw this most dramatically in the Gaza Strip, where the freest and fairest election ever held in the Arab world resulted in a Hamas government coming to power. And Washington immediately announced that it would not recognize it or deal with it.

Victor Olevich: What is the role of neoconservatives in sparking the current confrontation with Russia?

William Lind: The neoconservatives have never gotten over the Cold War and in truth they represent the thinking that was anti-Russian long before the Soviet Union, that was anti-Russian in the 19th century. Unfortunately for America and the rest of the world, they have had an enormous impact on American foreign policy. There is no reason they should have that influence, since all of their adventures have proven disastrous. Of course, they gave us a completely unnecessary and failed war in Iraq. Nonetheless, people continue to listen to them. This may have something to do with the fact that they have a great deal of money behind them.

The neocons and the neoliberals are very similar and work together. The Washington establishment is bipartisan. You have elements on both the left and the right who dissent from it, particularly senator Rand Paul, but the two represent pretty much a consensus within the establishment, though they pretend to be opposed to one another, but they really are not. Hillary Clinton, for example, is a neoliberal. As president her policies would hardly be different from that of the neocons.

Victor Olevich: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov recently stated that the goal of the sanctions imposed by the US and the EU against Russia is regime change in Moscow. Can Washington’s campaign against Putin backfire?

William Lind: Yes, of course. The United States and the EU are being hurt by the sanctions also. Russia has very strong foreign currency reserves, and it owes about 800 billion dollars to Western banks, with much of that starting to come due. Now, because of the sanctions, Russia is not going to be able to roll that over by borrowing more in the West. Obviously, what Russia can do in that case is say that it is suspending payment on all loans due to institutions in countries that are participating in the sanctions until the sanctions are lifted. Suddenly, the sanctions will hurt Europe much more than they hurt Russia, because Europe will have another massive banking crisis on its hands. There was a news flash last week about Russia and China buying a great deal of gold. This points to another way the sanctions can backfire. The rest of the world, and not just Russia, is getting tired of the United States trying to dictate to institutions, particularly banks, in their own countries, on what they will do, as if they were American institutions in complete disregard for their national sovereignty. One way to destroy this entire sanctions tool, not just in the case of Russia but also in regards to other countries, is to move trade to a gold basis instead of a dollar basis. The the role of American banks will become irrelevant, because trade will be completed in gold.

Victor Olevich: Is Europe able to act on its own, independently of U.S. foreign policy goals?

William Lind: No, Europe at this point is still very much in Washington’s orbit. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the EU is an American satellite. Europe is too afraid of American wrath to take any Russian offers. It is rather a matter of taking logical steps dictated by the situation. The debt problem I talked about before will certainly get Europe’s attention and bring home to them that an anti-Russian policy could have much greater consequences for them than its likely to have for Washington. In this sense, Europe’s interests and America’s interests are divergent.

Victor Olevich: Russia has warned about the dangers of toppling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad since the beginning of Washington’s campaign against his government. Has Putin been proven right by the latest events surrounding ISIS?

William Lind: Yes, absolutely, he has been proven right. The United States policy in the Middle East is so stupid that there is a very real danger that we may find ourselves simultaneously fighting all three parties – the Islamist rebels in Syria, the Assad government and Iran. It takes real talent in foreign policy to fight everybody at the same time, despite the fact that they are all fighting each other. The only chance for stability in Syria and for the preservation of the state in Syria is the Assad government. The Washington policy makers want Assad overthrown because he is not part of their globalist scheme. We witnessed a similar situation in Libya, where the overthrow of Muammar Qaddaffi led to the disintegration of the state and a permanent state of chaos.

Victor Olevich: What is behind the massive LGBT rights propaganda campaign in the West? Why is this topic given so much attention, while more pressing subjects are ignored?

William Lind: This is part of the ideology of the ruling class here, which in fact is a variant of Marxism. It is the Marxism of the Institute of Social Research, of the Frankfurt School, which translated Marxism from economic into cultural terms. This, of course, is completely different from the Marxism of the old Soviet Union, which was economic rather than cultural. The goal of cultural Marxism since 1919, when it was conceived independently by Lukacs in Hungary and Gramsci in Italy is the destruction of Western culture and the Christian religion. Lukacs, when he became deputy Comissar of Culture in the Bela Kun government introduced sex education into Hungarian schools, because he knew that if you destroy the sexual mores of a society, then you have taken a giant step towards destroying its culture as a whole. The Hungarian working class was so outraged by what Lukacs did that when Romania invaded, it refused to fight and the Bela Kun government was overthrown. Cultural Marxism has developed further in the 1930-1950s and is very much the state ideology now in the West. The fact that President Putin is causing Russia to reemerge as the most conservative of the great powers, as Russia was in the 19th century, enrages cultural Marxists and makes Russia their number one enemy.

Victor Olevich: What can Russia do to support healthy conservative forces in the West that oppose cultural Marxists?

William Lind: I think Russia should do what it is doing right now – showing people in the West that you can resist cultural Marxism, that you do not have to think that it is the inevitable way of the future, and that a country can decide to retain its traditional way of living and believing.