SOAKED IN BLEACH 2015

[Professor Diet Butcher]

also the location of the ejected shell was fishy (but I don't really remember this part much, have to watch again).

I believe it had something to with with how his hand gripped the barrel of the shotgun when he was found. The gun had to be upside down and for the shell to be ejected to the place where it was found, his wrist would have been twisted in an impossible position. Something like that.

[Daglord]

also the location of the ejected shell was fishy (but I don't really remember this part much, have to watch again).

I believe it had something to with with how his hand gripped the barrel of the shotgun when he was found. The gun had to be upside down and for the shell to be ejected to the place where it was found, his wrist would have been twisted in an impossible position. Something like that.

THERE IT IS. Thanks DB.

watched it again last night, damn good film IMHO. like I told anti, I usually don't care much for docudramas, but this was prob the best made one I have seen so far. I really liked how they used actual audio from the PI interviews & interviewed key players.

courtney's constant lying, kurt's attorney calling bullshit, odd behavior of the ex/nanny, sloppy investigation conducted by the SEA PD, ejected shotgun shell, handwriting practice sheet...



etc, etc, etc.

what did you think? it is pretty damning imo. one would almost HAVE To suspect foul play @ this point.

I was 50 / 50 before seeing the film. more like 80 / 20 now.

[Daglord]

the police reports say that the shotgun was inverted with the trigger and magazine trap door pointing up. that would place the ejection port of the gun to kurt's right. If he shot himself with the shotgun facing this direction, the shell should have been found to his right.

Why was it found to his left? on his corduroy jacket? did they even check it for fingerprints?

[Professor Diet Butcher]

Yeah, definitely fuckery involved. I mean, I've never done heroin, but if I were to overdose myself on it, I would probably want to just overdose on it and enjoy the ride before I croak. Why cut it short by shooting myself? Or maybe he thought that after all the heroin he'd shot at that point, it wasn't enough to off himself... so he needed a gun? I believe that's unlikely though. We need someone with the mind of a junkie to analyse his train of thought at the moment. Anti?



:twisted:

[Daglord]

the police reports say that the shotgun was inverted with the trigger and magazine trap door pointing up. that would place the ejection port of the gun to kurt's right. If he shot himself with the shotgun facing this direction, the shell should have been found to his right.

for the last few years, I've been talking to numerous gun safety consultants/expert marksman/firearm retailers/rifle manufacturers/shotgun specialists/shooting instructors/NRA members/armored truck drivers/hollyweird stuntmen & people who play cops on TV. I have also studied countless safety manuals/weapons specs/firing procedures/instructional DVDS/books/training pamphlets/newspaper articles from the orlando sentinel and the 'dummies guide to shotguns'.

In addition to having fired many rifles/pistols/shotguns/cap guns/squirt guns/blowguns/dart guns/rubberband guns and nerf super soakers.

after all this, I have concluded that this could not have been possible.

[Daglord]

Grant sent this letter to Courtney on May 8th 1994 about his investigation, and letting her know that he was going to continue working on it.



This letter was sent to Rosemary Carroll on December 29th 1994 by Grant in response to a letter from her firm threatening to sue him.

Carroll helped Grant with his investigation months earlier by providing important information, before doing a complete 180.

[Daglord]

we may have a murder here boys! it has everything I like. conspiracy, music, fuckery.

I'm getting excited here... don't make me do this alone... ;)

TaeKwan-DOH said:

Great Post Daglord. MOAR.

[Daglord]

This controversial documentary, directed by acclaimed filmmaker Nick Broomfield (Biggie and Tupac), begins as an observation of the music of Kurt Cobain and his Seattle/Portland contemporaries. Kurt & Courtney took a different turn when Courtney Love intervened. What emerges is a powerful examination of the destructive power of corporate America, economic depression and freedom of speech.

[Anti D]

This controversial documentary, directed by acclaimed filmmaker Nick Broomfield (Biggie and Tupac), begins as an observation of the music of Kurt Cobain and his Seattle/Portland contemporaries. Kurt & Courtney took a different turn when Courtney Love intervened. What emerges is a powerful examination of the destructive power of corporate America, economic depression and freedom of speech.

This is interesting because Nick Broomfield is pretty good and I enjoyed the Biggie/Tupac doc he made. We should do A Biggie/Tupac/Rampart Division/"Crypts" & Bloods thread next.

I think I started something about it over @ EY.com when I first joined but left it incomplete.

Daglord have you seen "About a Son?" this is where I remember the first girlfriend talking about his stomach ailments and the only way to stop them which was percodan given by a friend which lead to Heroin.

I dind't want to get into this too much tonight because I would be up too late but another thing I believe she mentioned or implied was that he suffered from a depression/anxiety disorder BEFORE he started taking the drugs.

She talked about how she was supporting him financially and his music and he wouldn't work/clean or do anything to contribute.

I think it shows a pre existing mental illness and poor personality trait/behavior that was only exacerbated by his excessive drug consumption.

The movie also goes into the how he met Courtney and she was "the bad girl" and probably had the drug connect which further led this downward spiral. When you factor his previous attitude and behavior and throw not just drugs but "intravenous heroin usage" and a manipulating, compulsive liar into the mix it's recipe for a suicide.

[Anti D]

Another thing I slightly remember "Soaked in Bleach" trying to debunk was the notion that his Uncle's committed suicide.

They went into some crazy story about the one Uncle shooting the floor on accident and then asking "if everyone is oK" only to drop dead. Again I am only paraphrasing having not watched it a second time so maybe you can help with that.

I believe they also mentioned which I always assumed that their was a Discrepancy whether his Mother meant "he joined that damn club" referring either to the "27 club" or his two Uncle who had previously committed suicide.