SOAKED IN BLEACH 2015

[Daglord]

It wasn't so much as people coming out & saying as it was interviews around that time in his words, people saying he looked good, optimistic, his planning for the future, etc. you'd have to watch the video. courtney shady as fuck though. I think this we can agree on.

I don't know if I can agree that all people shooting heroin are depressed though. not suicidal depressed anyway.

& honestly? you're acting a little "suspicious". almost SHILL-LIKE.

those who know dude.

[Daglord]

Tom Grant's Response to Seattle PD Re: Kurt Cobain's Death

Published on May 7, 2014
This is my response to the Seattle police detective who, after 20 years, recently developed previously undeveloped 35mm stills from the scene of Kurt Cobain's so-called "suicide.

In the soon to be released film, "Soaked In Bleach" Seattle's former Chief of Police, Norm Stamper, said that if he were still Seattle's police chief, he would re-open the police investigation into Kurt Cobain's death.

[Daglord]

Yo masato...

can you move this to the 'rebel alliance'?? I'm about to finish my breakdown of the 5+ hour video and we have a conspiracy of murder here.

the shills are out in full force in the anarchy zone (must be getting close). they're shitting all over my thread & hurting my feelings. that anti-D guy is acting very "suspicious".

thanks bro.

[Daglord]

this is actually a great listen. If know hunt & if he quotes someone, they said it. he was doing this before SIB came out. this is a compilation of all his work. If this & SIB are to be believed, kurt was divorcing Courtney & she was going to be left with little to nothing. he passes & she inherits the nirvana estate. novolesic, his attorney carrol, his mother, the private investigator hired by courtney & many other friends scoffed at the idea that kurt was suicidal.

stopped halfway through for another time. no way I'm sitting through 5.5 hours. it's a good listen though.
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00:27 courtney’s connections within SEAPD.

00:33 the rome incident.

00:47 the 2nd (alleged) suicide attempt & kurt’s attempt to cut Courtney out.

00:57 shotgun was purchased for protection. weird things around the cobain home.

around 1:03 is when soaked in bleach starts. Courtney is shady as fuck.

1:20 the note that was placed @ the house for PI grant to find. and finding the body.

1:24 someone had been trying unsuccessfully to use cobain’s credit card for weeks. stopped on the day the body was discovered. attorney swears kurt not suicidal. Courtney won’t let anyone see the suicide note.

1:27 great audio of phone calls between PI tom grand & the attorney rosemary.

1:30 grant tricks Courtney into letting him see the suicide note. he makes a copy of it.

1:40 the “please keep going Courtney” note (retirement letter?) & stomach problems. the suicide letter a few minutes later.

1:50 PI grant’s letter to Courtney asking if she wanted him to keep digging & how Courtney started intentionally hindering his investigation (http://justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/grant_letter_courtney.gif)

1:57 there has been all kinds of misinformation re: the crime scene.

2:00 police report. DETECTIVE YOSHIDA. It all makes sense. sounds like this case was handled by keystone cops.

YOU…… CANT……..MAKE………..THIS………………….SHIT……………………………..UP.

errors made everywhere. terrible investigation.

detective yoshida. lol.

2:05 the shotgun shell & ejection port issue. people around the investigation start dying.

2:07 death of Kristen pfaff.

2:20 PI grant is convinced without a doubt that kurt didn’t commit suicide. his letter to attorney carroll (http://justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/grant_letter_rosemary.gif)



seems like a good place to stop.

2:24 (audio of phone call between courtney & PI grant) courtney & tom discuss the other note. she gets caught in a lie by the PI. shady as fuck. she claims to have showed it to the PD. they deny. Courtney later burns it.

2:29 nirvana’s management company speaks about the rome incident. denies suicide. kurt insisted it wasn’t. he planned on leaving Courtney.

2:30 tom grant goes public on national radio show. courtney tries to stop the show.

2:32 details of the shotgun blast & fatal injuries.

2:34 courtney spreads all kinds of misinfo in interviews.

2:37 jan 95. the Kevin & bean show. grant & investigation are a big hit. they initially tried to clown him but the listeners loved it. they schedule a follow up & courtney kills it with lawyers.

2:41 (audio) courtney leaves strange message on PI grant’s answering machine.

2:44 breakdown of courtney’s message. uh-oh.

2:45 lies. lies. lies. & then Courtney admits that grant was telling the truth about kurt’s death ?!?!?!?!?!?

2:47 grant points finger directly @ courtney & michael dewitt. courtney & her lawyers take out full page ads in major media pubs warning anyone that associates with PI grant directly or indirectly.

2:48 courtney tries to get grants PI license suspended (excerpts of letter). grant drops courttney and proceeds alone.

2:51 grant reveals that he went to SEA PD 7 days after kurt’s death & told them to consider murder a possibility. once he revealed this to courtney, she immediately began sabotaging his work.

2:53 courtney is asked to testify @ the licensing hearing. they immediately withdraw the complaint.

2:55 courtney’s dad claims that she had kurt killed because of the pending divorce. (dude is just as shady as courtney though) & courtney’s violent history.

3:00 did Courtney love conspire to kill kurt cobain? Absolutely – dad. courtney fucking around with evan dando. after kurt dies, Courtney tries to fast track a movie about kurt with dando in lead role.

3:14 courtney’s dad threatened

3:15 el duce. Courtney propositions el duce to kill “her asshole husband”…“blow his fucking head off”. eye witnesses corroborate.

3:19 el duce passes more than one polygraph from a renowned administrator. 99.8%.

3:25 el duce & hard copy are working on story of cobain’s murder.

3:27 PD says it will ignore accusations if Courtney can prove she wasn’t in LA when el duce claims she propositioned him. she refuses.

3:28 (video) the el duce interview from kurt & Courtney

3:31 el duce arrived @ his house with a man he said he just met. they left for a drink & never returned. he was found hit by a train. no witnesses. friends say he was not suicidal & getting ready to tour.

3:33 the similiarities of el duce’s and kurts murder.

3:33 (video) the director of kurt & Courtney crashes a courtney love appearance. calls her out for threatening journalists. she bails.

3:40 hard copy piece on cobain’s death.

3:53 terrible investigation. & bias. detective yoshida. lol.

3:55 issues with the investigation. credit card activity. deliberate misinformation.

** had to take a break. THE IRONY **

4:00 purchasing the shotgun & other related info. shotgun had only one set of fingerprints even though kurt & others handled it. one set like it was wiped clean.

4:04 doctor’s opinion on the drugs in kurt’s system. not absolute either way.

4:07 why shoot up such a high dose & shoot yourself? if wanting to commit suicide, why not just overdose? was it possible?

4:10 misinformation about kurt... from courtney?

4:15 dylan carlson, good friend & dopeman, claims kurt wasn’t the junkie courtney & the media made him out to be. questions on the day of death or more misinfo from courtney’s camp.

4:15 official date of death is april 6th. PI grant believes he was murdered on april 3rd. no one seen or heard from kurt after the 3rd. proven misinformation that kurt called friends on the 6th.

4:20 courtney & friends are shady as fuck.

4:30 courtney is shady as fuck.

4:37 (video) courtney’s old boyfriend. weird dude.

4:47 kurt wasn’t the junkie the media made him out to be (courtney is shady as fuck)

5:00 courtney shady as fuck.

___________________________________________ never doing that again ____________________________________



it was a great listen though really. it's not so cut & dry. I got a little lazy there @ the end, but 5 hours dude :shock:

I think we can both agree: courtney shady as fuck. a lot of weird shit happening around the case, misinformation, deception, crazy conspiracies, suspicious murders.

terribly botched investigation by det. yoshida :lol:

kooky.
































like gene rosen kooky.

[Masato]

Yo masato...

can you move this to the 'rebel alliance'?? I'm about to finish my breakdown of the 5+ hour video and we have a conspiracy of murder here.

the shills are out in full force in the anarchy zone (must be getting close). they're shitting all over my thread & hurting my feelings. that anti-D guy is acting very "suspicious".

thanks bro.

Done!

Thanks to Anti for the PM or I would have missed this

[Anti D]

Yo masato...

can you move this to the 'rebel alliance'?? I'm about to finish my breakdown of the 5+ hour video and we have a conspiracy of murder here.

the shills are out in full force in the anarchy zone (must be getting close). they're shitting all over my thread & hurting my feelings. that anti-D guy is acting very "suspicious".

thanks bro.

Done!

Thanks to Anti for the PM or I would have missed this

No thank you Masato! I have much more to add to this to help "enlighten" and "educate" daglord who seems not only to be confused but suffering some some kind of confirmation bias issue. Hopefully I shatter some worldviews in the process!

This way with the thread in the Rebel Alliance we don't have to worry about people like The Diet Butcher who while I consider a friend has a tendency to troll and "derail" serious threads.

[Daglord]

huh.

thread got moved? predictable. wasted my time with this shit. moving something to the 'conspiracy ground' almost ensures no one will read it.

& Anti-D of all people? they guy is obviously a shill for EDM. I have a sneaking suspicion that grunge music killed the EDM movment & he's probably pissed about it, but not gonna bother researching it. it's apparent that him & his buddies have been sent in to shit on the legacy of kurt cobain. the guy doesn't even like nirvana? why the interest? very suspicious.

personally, I think the internet is just an outlet for his anger.

keep trying to hold me back. it's just tells me that I'm getting closer.

RENEWED FIRE. NO RECESS.

[Daglord]

Published on Jan 24, 2015
Interviews with Charles Cross, Jonathan Poneman, Kurt Cobain, Krist Novoselic, Dave Grohl (Nirvana), Les McKeown (Bay City Rollers), Doug Fieger (The Knack), Gavin Rossdale (Bush), Adam Duritz (Counting Crows), Kim Deal (The Pixies/The Breeders), Frank Black (The Pixies), Courtney Love, Mike Fasand (Warrant), Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam), Bret Michaels (Poison), Jack Endino, Dave Gahan (Depeche Mode) and others. Various Nirvana PRO Clips

[Daglord]

like sands through the hour glass...

this is probably some female shit, but I found it interesting. I was into most of these records @ this time & didn't realize all the connections. some crazy, diss-track type stuff.



it is admittedly some TMZ-type shit, but it was a good break from school & theater shootings :D



http://howisya.tripod.com/bizarrelove/

LATE 80's / EARLY 90's
01) Singer/guitarist Courtney Love begins relationship with fellow scenester musician Eric Erlandson. Their relationship eventually crumbles but they end up founding the band Hole together and remain friends.
02) Trent Reznor assembles a live band for his Nine Inch Nails '88 preview tour. Until his departure in 1993, Richard Patrick serves as touring guitarist for NIN as well as a friend to Trent. As rumor has it, he also served as a love interest. This has never been admitted to by Trent. The only known fact is that Trent kicked his ass on stage during each NIN concert. Richard grew to hate him for this constant mental and physical abuse. Richard joined NIN at the tender age of 17. Looking back, he admits he didn't really know how to play guitar at the time.
03) The following information comes from a person named Amy who read this page and sent me an email. She says: Courtney and Billy had a "romantic relationship" before she ever met Kurt. She was over at Billy's house one night in Chicago where she had been staying, and they had an argument. Consequently, that night Billy kicked her out. With no where to go, Courtney headed downtown for a rock show at the Cabaret Metro. The band playing was headed by Kurt. That night she got back stage and met Kurt. They had a "romantic interlude" if you will, and spent the night with him. The next morning she headed back to Corgan's house to try, once again, to rekindle their relationship, but to no avail.
04) Courtney Love marries Seattle up-and-coming musician Kurt Cobain, leader of the band Ted Ed Fred which would later become Nirvana.
05) Tori Amos' debut solo album, Little Earthquakes, contains the lyric "nine inch nails" within the song "Precious Things."
06) Tori Amos' Crucify EP contains a cover of Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

1994-1995
01) Tori Amos and Trent may have had a romantic relationship. They each claim that they are fans of each others work and friends and both vehemently deny romantic rumors. Still, Trent appears on Tori's 1994 album Under The Pink, singing soft loveydovey backup vocals on the track "Past The Mission." An amusing story of their relationship, which seems to be a similar non-romantic one akin to the one between her and Maynard James Keenan of Tool, is the chicken story. From an interview with Trent in Details Magazine (4/95): "...she would visit him at the Los Angeles house where TDS was recorded. The house where Manson followers killed Sharon Tate. On one visit, Tori told a depressed Trent that she would whip him up a hearty home-cooked meal. The cursed chicken. After six hours in the Tate house oven, it was still bloody and raw. Tori's preferred excuse: 'The spirits of the house wouldn't let it.' Eventually Trent left for another studio, where he ordered in. And the chicken? He shrugs. 'I didn't ask. The ghosts ate it.'"
02) Courtney and Smashing Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan have a secret affair. If memory serves correct, they were with each other as lovers in Paris when...
03) Kurt Cobain commits suicide. According to Courtney, the bandmates were feuding up until the time of Kurt's death. Dave Grohl said he would not talk to Kurt until he gave up his heroin habit. Kurt never stopped and Courtney alleges that before he died he hated Dave and was probably more depressed because of his stubbornness. Dave claims it was because he was such a good friend that he gave the ultimatum.
04) The Corgan/Love affair ends, I think amicably but quietly too. Courtney goes into faux grieving widow mode, making a point to be on MTV constantly (whether reading suicide notes or performing with Hole). The Smashing Pumpkins give up time from their Lollapalooza set each night post-suicide so Courtney could do a few songs before their set. Supposedly Nirvana was the original headlining act that summer.
05) Months later, Hole lands the opening spot on 6 dates of the NIN Self-Destruct tour. Trent and Courtney become friends and, according to a rumor perpetuated by Trent, eventually lovers. This relationship takes a nasty turn for unknown reasons. It remains Trent's most highly publicized and by far most embarrassing affair. His account is that they were merely friends and that he took pity on her and tried to be a friend. Courtney has told multiple magazines that they've had sex and that his band should be called Three Inch Nails.
06) According to rumor, Tori gets very jealous. An AOL user who claims to have gone on tour with Tori has informed me recently by email that the imagery and metaphor behind Tori's "The Waitress" is without a doubt aimed at Courtney Love. Since this song was released before The Downward Spiral and its tour (where Hole opened), this seems to imply Tori was not exactly a fan of Courtney's to begin with.
07) Manson's autobiography says that the guitarist for Marilyn Manson, Twiggy Ramirez, had a brief affair with Courtney shortly after the breakup. Supposedly this was to keep track of Trent. A reader of this page notes that Twiggy actually had two affairs (another during the Big Day Out Australian tour years later) and that his relationship with Courtney subjected him to continual derision from Manson. In an unrelated note, in a year 2000 interview with NIN guitarist Robin Finck, when asked who he wants to "fuck like an animal" he answered Twiggy. Make of that what you will.
08) Richard Patrick breaks through with new project Filter. Their only hit off of the first album is the dark, NIN-like "Hey Man, Nice Shot." Many fans are offended, thinking that the song is intended to be a sick joke on Kurt Cobain's self-inflicted fatal gunshot wound to the head. Richard counters that he had written the song four years ago about someone else who had shot himself in the head. A reader of this page explains: "'Hey Man, Nice Shot' was written about former Pennsylvania State Treasurer R. Budd Dwyer. He was our state treasurer over a decade ago and he called a live press conference where he committed suicide live on TV with a .357 magnum handgun. It was one of the most shocking moments on TV in PA. I remember seeing it and I couldn't believe it--it happened so quickly and yet it seemed to go in slow motion." Richard also admitted in an interview that the old song was put on the album because it was "the only good one he had." It is also worth noting that this is the song that ushered in other NIN soundalikes such as Stabbing Westward and Gravity Kills, and later Orgy.
09) Smashing Pumpkins release their critically acclaimed double album Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness. Billy Corgan clearly lashes out at Courtney in such songs as "X.Y.U." (Think about it: "Ex, Why You?") "Erin H." writes, however, that the song is born out of a demo song called "Rachel," which may mean it's about a different ex-lover.

1996
01) Trent, now no longer touring, records, produces and essentially performs Marilyn Manson's third album, Antichrist Superstar. During these eight months the two men become very close "friends." There has never been an official comment on either side about any kind of sexual bond, but many fans believe it is so. Trent has denied it before but Manson has said things so innuendo filled that, if not meant to be shocking/insulting to fans, is hard not to believe. Anyway, they become best friends for a while.
02) Tori releases her third album, Boys For Pele. And boy is she pissed. The CD jacket features images of her victorious over the pigs, clearly a kiss-off to NIN songs like "Last" ("pigs we get what pigs deserve"), "Piggy" and "March of the Pigs." The leadoff single, "Caught A Lite Sneeze", has another direct kiss-off: the lyric "made my own Pretty Hate Machine" (1989 NIN debut album). The follow-up single "Professional Widow" has lyrics that seem to deal with Trent choosing the idiotic and slutty Courtney over her, Tori proclaiming her a "starfucker" (Eric, Kurt, Billy, Trent...). Tori's lyric "Little Amsterdam in a southern town" from that album's "Little Amsterdam" could also refer to Trent if you're a creative thinker. For the tour she covers NIN favorite "Hurt", shortening the song to a minute and giving it light hearted, silly lyrics like "I hurt myself today to find a jelly bean."
03) Trent says that Courtney Love meddled in his relationship with Tori and this drifted their friendship apart.
04) Courtney Love thrashes Trent and defends her late husband on the Hole newsgroup. She is disgusted that people mentioned the two men even in the same sentence.

1997
01) El Duce (real name Eldon Hoke) is found dead on April 19th in a train yard. He was a "porno metal star" who traveled with NIN and Manson on the Self-Destruct Tour. You can see him in 1998's Closure documentary in the groupie scene. In Kurt & Courtney, a documentary on Kurt Cobain's death and his relationship with Courtney Love, El Duce says that Love offered him $5,000 to kill Cobain. When he went public with this in 1997 he was shortly killed.
02) Hole releases the CD My Body The Hand Grenade which contains the song "Old Age", a song Nirvana bassist Kris Novoselic alleges was an unreleased Nirvana song.

1998
01) Tori offers subtle Trent/Courtney dis in her song "She's Your Cocaine" off her new album. No more direct references though.
02) Marilyn Manson releases an autobiography totally exposing Trent for all of the seedy, terrible things he was a part of on the 1994/1995 Self-Destruct Tour with Manson as openers. Although it's not "I hate you Trent", Trent is deeply saddened by Manson's betrayal. They had not spoken for about a year but were not enemies at the time.
03) Manson befriends Pumpkin Billy Corgan. Corgan announces plans to produce Manson's new album; these plans eventually fall through. They do however perform on stage together at a Smashing Pumpkins Bridge School Benefit concert.
04) Trent begins recording The Fragile.
05) Billy Corgan puts out a new Smashing Pumpkins album, Adore. By Pumpkins (and industry) standards it's a commercial and critical failure. A precursor.
06) Manson and Hole both release new albums, both actually produced by the same guy.
a) Manson's album is, obviously, not produced by Trent -- he had produced the previously three but Manson never called him to produce the new one. Trent later says he would have liked to.
b) Courtney alleges that none of the songs on her new album are written by Kurt Cobain or Billy Corgan. Period. Corgan, again romantically linked to Love at the time, actually did co-write a couple of the songs on the album and was originally going to do some production but he and Courtney ended up squabbling over petty things. This is why she at first denied that Billy had done anything on the album; she later admitted on the Howard Stern Show, when he confronted he about the obvious Corgan sound to the album, that he wrote the verses to the single "Celebrity Skin" including the "pop cheese" riff (Courtney's words).
c) Manson: "Coma White" (1998); Hole: "Sugar Coma" (1997). Manson: "The Beautiful People" (1996); Hole: "Beautiful Son" (1994) and "Reasons To Be Beautiful" (1998).
d) Neither album could match the previous efforts by each respective band. Nor could they compete against the changing winds of the music business. Neither stuck around on the the charts long.
07) Manson and Courtney bash Trent live on the MTV Music Awards backstage. "Whatever happened to Trent Reznor?" Courtney asks Manson coyly. Ironically a cryptic and mysterious commercial airs previewing 30 seconds of new NIN material on a pitch black screen that only says "ninetynine" in NIN Broken font. Both Courtney and Manson continue to insult Trent in the media. Public generally forgets NIN.
08) Trent goes into total hiding, not putting a planned song contribution in the X-Files movie soundtrack because, rumor has it, Filter was on the soundtrack.
09) Richard Patrick also begins insulting Trent in the media.

1999
01) Melissa Auf Der Maur, bassist for Hole, leaves the band supposedly because of a long-term relationship with Dave Grohl.
02) Manson and Courtney announce a co-headlining tour. It lasts mere weeks, a total disaster. Each party bash each other verbally on stage, on TV and in magazines. They have never made up.
03) Manson expresses disinterest in modern music on his website but talks highly of The Fragile which he hopes will be a great album that may help rock music return to prominence.
04) Rap-rocker Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit, before playing the infamous Woodstock '99, remarked to MTV News on how he wanted to put on a show like Nine Inch Nails did at the previous Woodstock. I think he meant the skill and notoriety of the show as well as the result it had in catapulting NIN's career. This is probably when Trent started noticing Fred and the gang.
05) Trent releases double a-side single in the summer of '99. "Starfuckers, Inc." apparently takes potshots at Manson, Courtney and/or Trent himself. It does not seem to insult Tori as Trent has never said anything bad about her. More likely it uses her "Professional Widow" sneer to his full advantage.
06) Richard releases his second Filter album which, in fact, was well received by most. In this album is the song "Captain Bligh", a song Richard openly admits is directly about Trent Reznor, specifically his musical/creative relationship with him. He takes the role of victim and Trent the evil Captain Bligh. According to Richard, he had a dead end job because he would never be allowed any creative input. This is true. The only known Richard Patrick made music is the drone guitar segue between "Sanctified" and "Something I Can Never Have" on Pretty Hate Machine. That and Broken credits the live band for inspiring the album.
07) Trent, after a 5 years album gap, releases his double album opus The Fragile to the oohs and aahs of NIN fans and critics alike, but given a serious cold shoulder by everyone else. The album contains another apparent Manson dis, the "you really hurt me but I will avenge myself" song "No, You Don't". Kicking him while he's down, Manson says the new album sucks and only likes one song ("Starfuckers, Inc." oddly); Richard says the new album is "not very good" and that he expected much better. He spends the rest of the year noting that his album outsells The Fragile by quite a lot.
08) Tori releases her own double album on the same day as Trent. The packaging is even similar. A live version of "Precious Things" is of course included. Neither album fares well commercially at all. Both are critically approved. NIN hit #1 but Tori did not even break the top 10. If there was a competition, Trent won.
09) Filter release a home video complete with live clips, interviews, a music video and a dramatic scene of the band torching a mannequin of Trent Reznor.
10) Richard takes to talking about Trent during every concert. He belittles him, insults the dozens of fans in the audience wearing NIN shirts ("don't wear those shirts to my concerts!" he snips), and mockingly sings a few lines of "Ringfinger."
11) Trent, on his return to the spotlight, offers up to anyone willing to listen his sympathy craving stories on how his friendship with Manson had ended. He does not insult anyone specifically except for a one-off at latest craze Fred Durst, proclaiming him and his music absolutely stupid.
12) Interestingly, Manson puts down Fred as well, proclaiming him as a buffoon, adding that he was probably the type of guy who beat you up in school and called you a "fag."
13) Fred is resentful. He had previously told the media and personal friends how much he liked The Fragile, which he heard two months in advance due to his schmoozy new status at Interscope Records, owner of Trent's Nothing label which Manson also belongs to. Anyway, Fred takes potshots at Manson and Trent because they have past their time.
14) Fred Durst and Richard Patrick collaborate on a cover of Jane's Addiction's "Jane Says" which has yet to be released. It is worth noting that Jane's Addiction is one of Trent's favorite groups and musical role models. Filter were a part of the Limp Bizkit organized and headlined 1999 Family Values tour. Orgy were on it the previous year.
15) Melissa Auf Der Maur joins Billy Corgan and friends as the new bassist (replacing D'Arcy) in the Smashing Pumpkins. Courtney Love is understandably annoyed. In 2001 and 2002 she would talk about how she wasted her time with Grohl and the Pumpkins as well as all her side projects, including trivial things such as Black Sabbath tribute bands and celebrity super-groups.
16) The Foo Fighters release their third album. The second single from the album is "Stacked Actors", a song that Dave Grohl admits is about the egotistical Courtney Love. Similarly, the first Foo Fighters album had a single called "I'll Stick Around" which may refer to Courtney. He is still resentful of how Courtney did not prevent Kurt from killing himself. The new album does not sell as well as they would have liked. Thus it completes a five band, five album series of failures beginning with Adore.

2000
01) Foo Fighters open for Nine Inch Nails, Nine Inch Nails open for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Thus was the highly successful Big Day Out tour in Auastralia and New Zealand this January and February. Interestingly, Hole and Marilyn Manson co-headlined the previous year's Australian Big Day Out festival along with Korn.
02) Billy Corgan and the Smashing Pumpkins release their fifth and supposedly final album, Machina / The Machines Of God. In my opinion it is very, very much like The Fragile musically and, in a way, thematically. Thematically The Fragile was about rebuilding; many songs on Machina say we are back, we are good and we will get through this. They got their drummer back. They switched bassists. The album isn't as depressing as Adore but, like The Fragile, it presents a grim form of optimism. Corgan and Reznor are survivors and I think as long as they're making music then we're all alright. Musically I could name many comparisons: the off kilter drumming, the synthetically processed instruments and vocals, the distorted guitars. It's even produced and/or mixed by the team of Flood and Alan Moulder, both of which worked on The Downward Spiral and Moulder which spent two and a half years working with Trent on The Fragile. And like that album, it debuted respectably (although not #1 like NIN) and soon dropped off the charts. Both bands are trying to rejuvenate their new music through stadium tours.
03) Manson and Trent apparently patch things up. Manson says so; Trent is elusive; radio stations and magazines promise Manson to star in the video for "Starfuckers, Inc." Manson is granted official musician status on the nin.com message board.
04) Trent promises exciting things ("a shit storm", to be precise) in the near future. Allstar News reports in an article that the video takes shots at Courtney, Durst, Puffy, Mariah Carey (now she is totally out of the blue; I understand the music is bad but she never did anything to Trent; then again, neither did Bush or R.E.M.) among others. It was Puff Daddy whom, in 1998, Trent remixed for the challenge, or, depending on the interview, for the money. Trent and Puffy also battled each other on MTV's Celebrity Death Match (it was a tie). Celebrity Death Match has hosted Marilyn Manson two or three times or more and has had the band on its soundtrack with the Antichrist Superstar reject "Astonishing Panorama Of The End Times."
05) The new video premieres and it insults everyone listed above, and in addition: Billy Corgan, Michael Stipe, Richard Patrick, and Marilyn Manson. And as rumored, Manson himself is in the video; he is the limo "girl" (he also directed the whole thing). So does this mean the song isn't about him after all? Or that it is about him (partially) and that Trent and him have patched things? The video also mocked Trent himself who appeared with his Don Juan style 1997 "The Perfect Drug" hair (including one scene where he smashes a statuette of himself from that year), very fruity eyeshadowing (kinda like Manson '96-99, or perhaps like Trent's musical hero Robert Smith of The Cure?), and acting very rockstar-ish and childish (it was at a carnival, after all). There may be more stars insulted in the video but a lot of it goes by very quickly. Uglified blonde Baywatch and Playboy stars Pamela Anderson Lee (Playmate of the Year for 1995) and Donna D'Errico both appear, looking very old and gross, holding up photographs of their fake Holywood appearances. Later Trent smashes plates with the faces of pop stars. One is Gene Simmons from one of Trent's favorite bands, Kiss. What is Trent saying about his favorite rock group growing up? Is he just kidding or is he pissed about their constant farewell tours? Weird. Rose McGowan also appears to be on one of the plates, just above her real life fiancé, Marilyn Manson. It is also worth noting perhaps that when Carson Daly introduced the video he looked and sounded like a "sad puppydog." Trent has taken to insulting Carson and his TRL show in the media. Apparently he's actually a NIN fan (he was a KROQ DJ before signing onto MTV). It's kind of a double standard; on one side he is a rock fan, on the other he hosts the most bullshit, sugarcoated garbage pop music show on television. As an aside which is not related to the saga at all, but in the new video, Trent references his idol Aphex Twin by doing something out of his video for "Come To Daddy", directed by Chris Cunningham. Like the tall demon in the Aphex video, Trent opens his mouth wide and lip syncs the screaming part of the song. Cool! We'll see how all the stars react to this... personally I don't think they'll care or notice much. Also, if anyone can tell me who the bald headed and red headed female statuettes are in the background when Trent is smashing himself and Billy, please let me know! Update: Someone emailed me to suggest that the redhead is Shirley Manson of Garbage. The emailer told me that, in a 1998 interview with Rolling Stone, Shirley said "Trent's music sounds psycho but I think he's weak man. And I'm much more real psycho, enough to make him escape." At the time she was entering stardom as a sex symbol and the musical merits of her band weren't being discussed much.
06) Richard Patrick disses Fred Durst for a) saying the Family Values Tour should not go on for a third time and shouldn't have happened twice to begin with and b) doing the on-stage duet with Christina Aguilera at the 2000 Video Music Awards, apparently an insult to everything that rock 'n' roll is about.
07) Fred Durst and Courtney Love are friends. He comes to her for advice about how he should come across to the public.
08) Limp Bizkit release an album entitled Chocolate Starfish And The Hot Dog Flavored Water. The song "Hotdog" disses Trent but borrows so heavily musically and lyrically from "Closer," "The Perfect Drug," and "Burn" that Trent has to be given a writer credit. When asked about this, Trent says that he could have held up the album release if he wanted to but he didn't want to sink to that level. Pumpkins fan "Erin H." writes that the Limp Bizkit album title is "widely believed to be inspired by/poking fun at the Smashing Pumpkins' title Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness."

2001
01) Tori Amos records with Adrian Belew (King Crimson guitarist featured on NIN's last two albums) for her new album.
02) Director Baz Lurhman hires Marilyn Manson to record some music for his film Moulin Rouge. One of the songs Manson chooses is Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit." However, Courtney Love, Nirvana's copyright controller, bars the usage of this in the film and it remains unheard by just about anyone. The AOL user who said he toured with Tori says it is in the film ("watch and listen") which may be true; I haven't seen it yet, personally.
03) Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic (ex-Nirvana bassist) become involved in a law suit with Courtney Love (and later Cobain's mother) over the rights to release a Nirvana boxed set, including an unheard song that Courtney stole and re-wrote on an early Hole album. Further details can be read in this MTV News article (and others it links to).
04) While not selfishly fighting to keep unreleased Nirvana songs away from fans, Courtney Love has embarked on a mission to change songwriter copyright laws in the music industry. Trent Reznor, during his promotional blitz for his band's live album and DVD, tells the press that he applauds her efforts to protect the rights of musicians and songwriters.

2002
01) In an odd twist, Fred Durst asks Trent Reznor's management if he would get involved in the new Limp Bizkit in a producer or remixer capacity. In a rare radio interview, Trent tells K-Rock DJ's that he is flattered but I'm pretty sure he's not getting involved in this one.
02) It's revealed that Limp Bizkit's Sam Rivers plays bass on "Redeemer", the song Jonathan Davis wrote for the film Queen Of The Damned. None other than Marilyn Manson himself sings Davis's lyrics on the track. Bizkit/Manson collaboration, in other words.
03) Courtney Love proclaims trendy indie rock band The Vines as being even better than her late husband and his band.
04) Work continues on books about Kurt Cobain as well as a book made up of his diary excerpts. Courtney mentions the fabulous things about him that people never knew about as well as complained about the terrible things he used to do to her and himself.
05) The controversial, unreleased Nirvana recording "You Know You're Right" is leaked on the Internet through four sound clips. By the end of the year, the song is released on the self-titled Nirvana "best of" set.
06) Hole have broken up (link). Courtney and Eric disbanded the group with no plans for a farewell album or tour. Fantastic news. Eric will busy himself as a studio musician and may start another band. Courtney is working on an all-female band (let's see if that lasts) called Bastard, as well as other stupid stuff.
07) Fred Durst and Richard Patrick start a war of words through their band web site diaries sparked by a Durst interview in Playboy. In the interview, which actually took place a year before its publication this year, Durst made some unsavory comments about Patrick because of his MTV Video Music Awards comment. Durst said in far less polite terms that Patrick was ungrateful for taking his band out on the Family Values Tour when everyone told him not to and that their album wasn't worth it. After a few days of media reports from both camps, the little web site tiff solved itself as they reaffirmed their deep and profound "love" and respect for each other.
08) Twiggy leaves Marilyn Manson after nearly a decade of playing in the band. Along with KMFDM's Tim Skold, Manson's new album is co-produced by none other than Filter's Ben Grosse.

2003
01) Veteran NIN collaborator Al Jourgenson (of Ministry/RevCo.) has a studio session playing guitar for Limp Bizkit's fourth album. He did not appear on the released album later that year.
02) After working with NIN since 1994, Danny Lohner begins a long series of collaborations with then-former (now current again) Limp Bizkit guitarist Wes Borland, culminating in the Underworld soundtrack and new supergroup The Damning Well, also featuring Richard Patrick on vocals.
03) Danny Lohner briefly joins A Perfect Circle before being mysteriously removed from the lineup. Smashing Pumpkins guitarist James Iha is his replacement.

2004
01) The Nirvana box set the remaining members of the band and Courtney Love fought over is finally released.
02) This December article claims that Billy Corgan is again writing songs to be included on Courtney Love's next album.

CONCLUSION
In a way, this is how '90s rock music fell apart, or, shall I say, killed itself. Think about it: these are most of the key players of mainstream music in the last ten years. I mean, OK so I didn't directly involve Pearl Jam or Sublime, but these above connections are astounding. It is my personal opinion, given the above evidence, that Courtney Love destroyed '90s rock music. This could be good or bad depending on your opinions and musical tastes. It is good to change things around every few years. But if you think about it, is the current state of angry, one-dimensional jock rock really that great? I don't think so. But this is only the beginning of a journey through totally uncharted territory. I can't help but smile when I hear the industrial grooves of a new Filter song or the teen angst driven machismo of a Limp Bizkit chorus. My only hope is that, in addition to all this new music, we can still enjoy the old fogies like the Smashing Pumpkins and Foo Fighters. And perhaps some day we will get an all-star jam out of this whole mess.

[Daglord]

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