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The Sandy Hook Investigations

Postby Daglord » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:05 pm

Masato wrote:^ Thanks Daglord!

Wow, now I gotta reciprocate, lol

I will admit, when SH happened I fell right into the CT pit. I try to always remind myself/be aware that I suffer from an over-imagination, lol. On the other hand I have found it an interesting method that has done me good, which is to go all the way down a CT hole as far as it goes, then slowly pull back to where I feel is most sensible.

There was a time even way before Halbig entered the scene that I thought SH was completely staged and it would get called out any minute. The pro-hoax community has done a powerful campaign to suggest this and much of it was really hard to debate at face value.


same here brother & nothing to be ashamed of. the active imagination has also done me well. I was skeptical of Wolfgang right away (in his very first interview he said he "needed a lot of money") but still supporting if he was actually interested in truth. after it was obvious he was a charlatan & his 16 questions all had answers (that he was conveniently avoiding) was when I went the other way.

I read everything. from both extreme sides of the spectrum & find where they match/differ. from the full retard to the official state report because it usually ends up somewhere between. it's also prob part an OCD problem. & yes, the SH hoax group is a VERY powerful campaign. that makes me suspicious.

Halbig was the first semi-legitimate person standing up publicly about it, so of course I cheered for him too. But, as you said, it doesn't take long before one realizes he is kind of a buffoon, and kind of fucked up his own cause. Whether he is genuine in his motives or not is still up in the air for me. He could really believe what he is doing but just not the brains to pull it off any better than he did. In this sense I still applaud him for trying


like I said, maybe a month I thought he was genuine (but very ignorant). but I have to disagree now, I don't think any reasonable adult can believe in him, his theories, his execution or his "evidence". the more time that passes, the more ridiculous & shady he looks. anyone still hanging on his nuts has got to have a vested interest in him imo.

Oddly, the most important evidence in my mind was the speech that Obama gave immediately following the 'event'.

He said something like 'We focus not on what is seen, but what is unseen"... and then said something about not changing course because of a few that try to derail it or something like this.

These were weird words to me, yet somehow put a lot of it in perspective.


yeah, that speech could be very revealing. sounds more like a cover up of some sort for national security reasons than a FEMA drill hoax for gun control. could you imagine the reaction if it turned out to be some mossad style terror attack?

Here is my current working theory of SH:

1. SOMETHING happened in or near Newtown that day. Something big, possibly against the government etc. Newtown is full of elites and it would be a prime target for something.

2. Whatever it was, it had to be covered up at all cost. What we saw was the fed/CIA/secret ops attempt to cover it up and create a secondary story of events. That's why there are so many oddities and apparent actors etc; it was a sudden and last-minute team brought in to shift the story/divert attention away from the truth (whatever it was). Also why we had such immediate attention from the White House/Obama

3. The mainstream news was complicit in the coverup, under orders from above under National Security or whatever.

4. Obama's speech was a message to the real perpetrators, which had escaped and were still alive

5. Halbig and CTers were mostly right and well to pick up on the falsities, but ran with them under the assumption that it was a government false flag for gun control or something, rather than a government coverup of something else that the government did not want made public.

6. Halbig was used to ridicule and end the SH CT crowd.


What do you think? As I said its just a working theory/suspicion. I'm not confident in it by any means but it seems to be the situation that settles the most in my heart/mind


I could imagine all except #5 & actually lean towards #6.

I don't believe in halbig @ all. in his own words: he is being "handled". he does not seem smart enough to even use a CPU most of the time.

here is a great watch & most of it is a listen. I know you like to listen as you work (same as me). these guys challenge all hoaxers while dissecting 'WNTTASH' live. they also try & get into the minds of hoaxers because they feel like I do, that this many people cannot possibly be this stupid or ignorant. there has to be another agenda at play here. 4 hours. good way to kill a work day. let me know what you think. only half way though here, but the first half was dead on imo.






and the thing about this SH hoax thing is that it's really not that big as it appears. the same people who made WNTTASH are the same people handling wolfgang, making all the other youtube vids, part of the SH hoax FB group or exposing the big three, covering the FOI hearings, harassing the parents & memorials, making fake accounts to discredit the debunkers, etc.

kooky.

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Postby Daglord » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:27 pm

In response to ey's laughable video (once again from alex jones :roll: ) posted in this thread:

Som-Pong wrote:http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=2462791&page=1&pc=725

555 Emily is having a fucking meltdown.

there is some new footage in here even I hadn't seen.

SANDY HOOK COVENANT; **EXCLUSIVE** 'Check In Sign' Footage & LIES By Alex Jones & Wolfgang Halbig






Published on Jul 10, 2015
2015.7.10 (AE) - **EXCLUSIVE** footage of the very first video evidence of the Sandy Hook 'Everyone Must Check In Sign'… and this was recorded on Sunday 2012.12.16. This video PROVES, beyond any doubt, that Wolfgang Halbig, and his promoter and sponsor Alex Jones, are intentionally MISINFORMING their audiences by promoting DISINFO claiming the 'Everyone Must Check In Sign' was present at the Sandy Hook Firehouse on the day of the event, 2012.12.14.

These claims are PROVEN to be completely UNTRUE, with video evidence shown from Friday 2012.12.14, and Saturday 2012.12.15

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Postby Daglord » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:25 pm

Sandy Hook Documentary, Another perspective.






Published on Dec 12, 2014
Mark Howitt takes an investigative look into the events and controversy surrounding the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting which happened on December 14th 2012. This documentary explores several aspects of the event and is an attempt to shed some light and provide logical answers to the many questions that remain as to what happened in Newtown. Using rare news and article clips, testimonies, police audio analysis and a journalistic approach, it is quite clear that we are not being told the truth about what really happened. Was there others involved in the crime? Why have authorities and media provided abundant amounts of misleading information, changing the official narrative on countless occasions? These questions and more are looked at in great detail to try and make sense of things and bring closure to one of the biggest conspiracies in modern times.

Topics discussed include identities of multiple suspects, police audio analysis, witness testimonies, media manipulation of facts, the Lanza family, the gun ban issue, intelligence agencies, project longevity, examples of covert operations, crisis actors, living victims, FEMA drills, advanced knowledge of attack, motive of crime, and several other key aspects to this case.

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Postby Daglord » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:18 pm

EDIT: vid duplicated below. accompanying story.

"I've got two cars here from out of state that are video taping children as they leave the school and the guy gave me a rough time about leaving".

St. Rose of Lima 911 Call Released - Hoaxers reportedly filming children at school
http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/07/st-rose-of-lima-911-call-released.html

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Newtown, CT - A troubling 911 call is shedding light and raising questions regarding an incident that occurred at St. Rose of Lima school on June 2, 2015. The incident was first described by Wolfgang Halbig in an internationally broadcast interview.

Wolfgang tells the story: He he went to St. Rose of Lima in "Sandy Hook" with a documentary crew to meet with Monsignor Weiss. Halbig claims he went there to obtain the names of two nuns for his Hoax Group. "What I wanted to know was the name of the two nuns.", Wolfgang explains. Although the actual reason Hoax Group needed the names of the two nuns is not so clear.

According to Halbig, the Monsignor refused to meet with him and when Halbig exited St. Rose, six Newtown Police cars surrounded his vehicle. "What is that all about?" Wolfgang asks, during the Richie Allen Show.

Newtown Police Department has released the 911 call that prompted the response, and it is chilling. The caller states "I've got two cars here from out of state that are video taping children as they leave the school and the guy gave me a rough time about leaving." Considering the massacre of December 14, 2012 and the continued targeting of Newtown schools by Hoaxers, it's no wonder six cars responded to that shocking claim.

According to the police report, a white van, described by hoaxers as a "licensed film crew vehicle transport", left the scene just prior to the arrival of police The registration of the van returned to 'EAN HOLDINGS' and was therefore, likely a rental.

Halbig left the scene shortly in a blue Honda, shortly after police arrived.

Actual Police Reports:

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Postby Daglord » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:55 pm

St. Rose of Lima 911 Call - Sandy Hook Wolfgang Halbig






Published on Jul 17, 2015

This is a full version of the St. Rose of Lima School 911 Call. The caller reported suspicious persons were filming children as the exited the school. On scene, they found Wolfgang Halbig.

The early reports are very concerning. Hoaxers possibly sneaking up to an elementary school, filming children, giving the security officer a hard time, then scurrying off just before arrival the police. An expose of numerous police related hoaxer incidents was underway when Wolfgang's crew announced that the reports are taken out of context and that the incident was recorded. Therefore, out of our sence of fairness, we will await Halbig's explanation and proof in regards to these shocking reports. Let's see it. If you or your crew were sneaking about filming little kids, please redact them and release your video. Here is the St Rose of Lima 912 call in its entirety.

keep shilling for this piece of shit emily. like I said, you two deserve each other.

donate now! so more kids can be stalked.

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Postby Masato » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:58 pm

Dag, what are your impressions on Sofia Smallstorm or whatever her name is?

Winnson just dropped this, I watched, thought it was a careful presentation for the most part.






I am still behind on this thread, need to catch up on some of your 'debunking' posts

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Postby Daglord » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:00 pm

that video is a redux of sofia smallstorm’s first presentation @ conspiracy con 2013. I’ve seen it before, but I watched it again for the hell of it. I like it. the first half especially when she doesn’t commit to hoax and just breaks down anomalies in the official story. when I initially watched it (& didn’t know what to think about SH), I thought it was a strong presentation. I think I even posted it @ ey a couple times. a lot of the stuff she brings up specifically have been explained @ this point though. In her defense, this is prob two years old & some of that stuff prob came out after she held her presentation. I think she has even distanced herself from it now, but I’m not sure. someone should check.

starting right off, they say their biggest problem is that an “awkward, mentally ill, scrawny kid with limited training” could have done this. me too. but lanza wasn’t “mentally ill” & only socially awkward.

* 5:00 in: “I have not seen a single crime scene photograph of the inside or outside of the school” :roll:

I’ve seen hundreds. they are available for anyone to see online: http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/ that’s just a really an ignorant, misleading statement.

* I like her talk regarding dimensions. always have. relevant to a lot of things.

* carver is strange. he is a coroner. most are. but his statement of “I hope they, & the people of newtown, don’t have this come crashing down on their head” is so overplayed & dumb IMO. people always quote that as some proof of a hoax. carver said that after talking about how this has been the worst tragedy he or his staff has ever seen & how proud he was of how each & every person pulled together “behaving strongly & professionally” to get through this. for that, he hopes "they don’t have it crash on their head later”. makes sense to me. I never understood the suspicion of that quote. the true weight of something rarely hits you immediately, especially when you have to pull your shit together. it's when you take a moment. sometimes, even a couple days later. hangover effect. is it just me? does that quote seem normal to anyone else in the context of what he was saying?

he hopes the weight of the entire situation doesn't come crashing down on their heads later after holding it together so well is how I interpret it.






* “recently ramped up school’s security system” is false. that’s a wolfgang lie. http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/05/sandy-hook-camera-system-fully-exposed.html

* a good answer to the sale dates & $0 price of the homes can be found here: https://sandyhookstalkers.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/fetzers-free-homes-folly/ and here: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-sandy-hook-residents-got-their-houses-for-free.t3198/

* when she starts with the science of crying & analyzing still photos of parents & Robbie parker (which I’ve always admitted was weird), she loses me. the parker family has also admitted to photoshopping their family xmas photo. It’s not that uncommon imo. she has a blog where she explains this & posted all the pictures she took when trying for the one she wanted & ending up using a combination of a couple different pics to get the perfect pic. so that was pretty much a waste of time.

* I don’t trust the analyzing of any pic that’s been on a hoaxer site. they have been caught many times manipulating their “evidence”. some instances I posted in this thread.

* the soto photoshop pic on the rocks is weird. always thought so. never really investigated it. though. family pic, photoshop, etc.

* If she is going to try & sell me that lanza didn’t exist. I might as well skip. he did. way too much evidence to doubt it. school records, divorce papers, dr records, obituaries, etc. she is also wrong about him not having an online footprint. of course, he didn’t use his real name online, but a case can be made that he had a pretty extensive one. it’s a few pages back in this thread. also here: https://sandyhooklighthouse.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/timeline-adam-lanzas-life-and-online-activity/ and here: https://sandyhooklighthouse.wordpress.com/tag/smiggles/

* drill going live is the most sense she has made yet. nevermind, crisis actors. drills going live doesn’t prove hoax. 9/11, 7/7, aurora all had drills. all happened. why divert from a proven method to try & pull off some unprecedented, illogical hoax? makes no sense imo. not saying that's what happened, but that certainly doesn't prove hoax. none of those other events that had simultaneous drills happening were hoaxed.

* UGH. the check in sign? sofia smallstorm was the genesis for that piece of misinformation. probably THE MOST debunked piece of "evidence" yet. in her defense, this presentation was 2 years ago, but no excuse for anyone else still bringing it up (wolfgang):






* ditto with the firehouse. this stuff has all been explained. notice how heavily edited that hoaxer firehouse vid is? watch it again. music, arrows, loops. start. stop. rewind. lol.

the reason people were going out one door & in another is because it was a clusterfuck inside. no one could move & they were trying to gain some order in there. people were panicked. makes sense to me anyway. they weren't actors walking in circles. there was maybe a few people pacing. understandable. and this all ties in with the 'check in sign' which has been disproven as being there for drill participants.






here is the non edited, looped chopper footage they manipulated:

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* XMAS TREES. I should seriously shut it off right here. I love her talk of dimensions, but she couldn’t be more wrong in the last 30 mins this vid. there is more than 26 xmas trees:

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and the fire station sells xmas trees every year. every year. I think most do don't they? http://photos.newtownbee.com/Journalism/Photos-from-the-issue-89/i-FF5Cnb9/A

and someone called & bought 26 trees & asked for them to be displayed in each victim's honor after the shooting: http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_22210001/sandy-hook-first-responders

even a hoaxer (TEAM WAKEMUP) had enough of the xmas trees & debunked it so people would move on:






smoke break.

* there were xmas decorations in the school. check crime scene photos: http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/

* unity projects & transition towns are very interesting. worth a further look.

* newtown as a CIA spook town? this is just getting EY-level dumb now. sorry man. ask haulport @ ey.com he lives there.

* she lied when she said that the cars were there as early as 8 AM. not a chance. not one pic to confirm that, plenty to disprove. that might have been a twitter/time zone thing. can't remember now.

* I think the gene rosen story is kooky too. always have. been pretty vocal about that. I think he could possibly be a media plant to spin a narrative? tug on the heart strings a little? a "look over here, not over here" kind of thing. not sure what’s going on there. no proof of hoax though imho. no smoking gun anyway.

* that car in gene rosen's driveway is mind boggling, but could be nothing as well. just weird.

* I like how she discusses the bullet holes in the cars in parking lot. that rarely gets mentioned. but then somehow goes back to hoax? do not understand.

* twitter was a time zone issue. I don't twitter, so correct me if I'm wrong. logged in = your time zone. logged out = pacific time.


that's about it. like I said, I'd seen it before, you posted it in this thread. it was a great watch @ the time & still is.

It would be interesting to see what her stance is now. what did you think?

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Postby Masato » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:20 am

Agreed on many points.

The opening for me was less about Lanza's mental capabilities than physical. The argument was he just wasn't strong enough to have carried and used all that equipment the way he supposedly did.

I agree about Carver's comment about 'crashing down on their head' is nothing substantial. Many other parts of his interview more suspicious than that.

Interesting about your link to real crime scene photos... I checked the link but required downloading which I don't like. What sort of photos are there? Real scenes inside the building?? wow

What's this about Parker fam admitting to photoshopping family pictures?? WHAaaatt?? That is NOT normal, man - how can you brush that off? I had never heard such an admission, that is interesting

Agree drill does not = hoax... but the amount of drills near these events is uncanny. Also the mayor or whatever gave that speech that he had received warnings to prepare for 'something like this'. I thought that was odd

Agree Xmas tree argument was really silly.

I'm trying to get my mind ready for your 'DeBunked' vids. Hoping they are not too fundamentalist or closed-minded to SH theories... Often de-bunking stuff can be so belligerent and do a lot of cherry-picking and strawman, the extreme opposite to the lunatic CT fringe at the other end

I will post more when I'm through

I am still in a complete fog over SH, I can see almost any possibility at this point. The more research I do the less clear it becomes!

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Postby Daglord » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:25 pm

Masato wrote:Agreed on many points.

The opening for me was less about Lanza's mental capabilities than physical. The argument was he just wasn't strong enough to have carried and used all that equipment the way he supposedly did.

agreed. but that "mentally ill" remark was very misleading.

& his (alleged) inability to pull this off alone (or @ all) doesn't prove hoax by any stretch of the imagination. not sure why anyone thinks it does. smallstorm had me there, but lost me when she started moving it towards hoax.

What's this about Parker fam admitting to photoshopping family pictures?? WHAaaatt?? That is NOT normal, man - how can you brush that off? I had never heard such an admission, that is interesting

parker five blogspot:https://theparkerfive.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/did-a-conspiracy-theorist-just-made-me-laugh/

think of it what you will. alissa parker has a photography studio/business so I don't really think it's that out of the ordinary. correct me if I'm wrong. my dad dated a photographer & she was doing stuff like this all the time for families & that was probably over 10 years ago.

I'm trying to get my mind ready for your 'DeBunked' vids. Hoping they are not too fundamentalist or closed-minded to SH theories... Often de-bunking stuff can be so belligerent and do a lot of cherry-picking and strawman, the extreme opposite to the lunatic CT fringe at the other end

first off, I don't really care for the term "debunking videos". it's much closer to "clearing up mis or disinformation from people with an obvious agenda". cherry-picking? strawmen? sounds exactly like a hoaxer argument :D

& I don't understand your thinking here @ all. how can you know if you haven't watched? personally, I watch every video from both sides of the spectrum with the same enthusiasm. it's already been admitted by EY, winnson & others that they don't even watch half the vids that are posted. what kind of research is that? confirmation bias 101. even worse when you consider that EY doesn't even watch the vids HE IS POSTING :roll:

winnson will drop a 2 year old, 2 hour movie (that we've all already seen before) & one which you admit is mostly garbage (& has since been proven to be full of misinformation) or EY posts an hour long wolfgang interview (from prision planet nonetheless. lol) & you'll watch them immediately. I drop a couple 5-7 min videos that disprove some of their claims & you'll get to it when you "get your mind ready". I guess I'd rather know right away if I'm wasting my time on already disproven theories. this is why I thought ben was so invaluable to ey.com. I think he might have been the only person there watching objectively and judiciously.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion & we all can't agree on everything. I'm good with that. makes for a much better discussion. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind anymore. only when people like EY, archon or the dean start lying or intentionally misleading to support their narrative or sway people on the fence is when I get frustrated. or when they talk in absolutes when they appear to be almost completely clueless about whatever it is they are talking about.

it's really dishonest & counterproductive to any kind of truth movement imho.

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Postby Masato » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:40 pm

^ wow, that Parker blog is :shock:
so crazy man, seems hokey as fuck at first glance but who knows

My mind is not made up at all, lol - my loathing for 'debunking' vids is the same as my loathing for CT vids that start off with heavy doomsday music, lol

Going too far in either direction is always hard to swallow when searching for truth. Yet sometimes its what we gotta do

I will however admit that the suggestion that there is 'nothing to see here,' and that it is all just as Fox news told us is becoming increasingly difficult for me to consider. Even the most skeptic debunkers should at least admit somethings fucky


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