Just spoke with someone who says its (basically) futile

[Masato]

Just for balance, here is an article from our local MT Guru 'The Olde Phuque' from the COMPLETE other end of the scale.

The Olde Phuque has been known to get hyped for stories from the other side of the fence, where the elites are panicking and falling apart at the seams:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 85866.html

[Daglord]

"until you change the way money works, you change nothing"

[Daglord]

I agree with him 100% about being trapped into the financial system. I don't think anyone can or will disagree with that. I don't agree in thinking that protesting is futile, just don't expect an immediate change.

my nephews & other kids his age are talking about the fed reserve, snowden, privacy issues, geopolitical issues, recognizing the politricks, etc. these kids are juniors/seniors in highschool & I can have an intelligent conversation with them about these things. not sure about you guys, but that was almost unheard of when I was in highschool. I didn't give a shit about anything other than fighting & fucking. their awareness of these issues has at least partly come from protests & other movements.

I don't think you can so easily dismiss how many people are awake & I hate using that word. informed. but yes, I also feel that the system is to integrated into everything we do that it will be impossible for us or our children imho, but it's up in the air after that. I just hope the planet remains inhabitable by that time. I have serious reservations about the future of the human race for many reasons, and the money system is near the top of the list.

The point made to me however was that it doesn't matter if more and more people are awakening;

he said even if we do, there's nothing practical we can do to stop the machine. All the laws have been in place, most all the money/gold/weapons/governments are in place. We are completely dependent on their MONEY GAME, and wouldn't know how to extract ourselves from it in time.

like I said, I agree. hard to believe that anyone wouldn't... but how else do we spend our time? just give up? or keep fighting even if it is futile?




I'll be the first to admit that I'm not doing any of this & thinking I'm on some mission or enlightening people & maybe that is because it's far bigger than any of us. I just enjoy it. it interests me & it's nice to discuss these kind of things with people who share those interests. also part OCD :D

[IDL]

My hope is that 'the plan' isn't as bad as it looks and that maybe there is a high power out there that will reign in the globalists once they have completed their task.

This is interesting... I was saying during the conversation that once the elites are ready to actually clamp it down, I would think it would be smart to make it look really great to sell it as smootly as possible.

Likely, standard of living will go way up for many (others will be fucked, lol), economy will suddenly look awesome, lots of eco-technology that has been suppressed will suddenly be released and implemented, they may even open up more natural medical centres to appeal to the 'awakened' etc etc. It very well be a Utopia of sorts in its own way.

Their whole game has always been very 'Brave New World', in that it attempts to appease/sedate us so the masses will come to 'love their servitude' as Huxley put it

The other possibility is that this whole 'Great Work' really is operating on an 'End justifies the means' ideology. If you look at Gnostic teachings, Freemasonry etc... there is no denying that they take on a tone of doing something noble and grand, something that will lift humanity to the next level, etc...

In this way, maybe they have long ago decided that it would be OK to break some eggs as long as they keep moving towards that ultimate 'divine' goal.

Perhaps once they lock it down and gain the world-domination they seek, it seems illogical that they would turn it into something dark and ugly.

After all, it's their planet too. (or is it>?? lol)


Then again, I look at the unfathomable sea of horror and lies that are being done to build it, and its hard to swallow that that plan can ever be ultimately 'good' in any sense :(

The reason why I hope that they will be 'reigned in' is because I think that those who are the builders (who are psychopathic and use any means necessary) are essentially at war with humanity. Once the capstone of that illuminati pyramid is lowered and the NWO is official, that war will have been won. What do armies do when they win wars? They relax right? Based on that dynamic many of the weapons being used against us will no longer be required. I also think they operate in a sort of 'fingers in the cookie jar' state of mind knowing that if they are exposed then they would be in big trouble. That fear and requirement to live in the shadows would make them work that much harder to suppress everyone. So basically, the psychology behind it changes once the system is in place.

I agree that they do appear to see it as a 'great work', but we have to keep in mind that this is from THEIR perspective. If they think they are going to be the ones ruling it (or at least in high positions) then that could look very great indeed. And no matter what it turns out to be, it's hard to argue that it isn't a great work. It's the largest ongoing project on earth.

The Christian prophecies are also interesting in that they depict the builders of the NWO as working for Satan, as in Satan controls this world and has but a limited time to get his work done, and then he is banished. I'm not Christian myself, but I do like reading religious takes on things and it does sorta make sense. We don't know who or what is REALLY at the top of the hierarchy, so that has to be left open as a possibility.

I do think it will end up being the type of system where people will 'love their servitude' in the end, but to get there I think there is going to be some mayhem. Looking at past revolutions like the Russian one and the Chinese one, it's about getting rid of opposition and forcefully changing into a new system. Since there will be resistance always, it requires force. They need people that will embrace (or not resist) the new system and not be attached to the 'old ways'

It depends on how we measure standard of living. I think they will abolish private property, and the ability to accumulate large amounts of wealth. They will also make people more dependent on the system. But people very well may be happy. Looks like there is going to be a big population reduction too. Not sure if that is going to be achieved through violent means (mass starvation like the Ukrainian Holodomor perhaps) at some point, or if they will use softer means. Depends on the timeframe.

Most predictions point to a one world religion to replace all the others, and it will likely bring a sense of happiness and contentment, while also rendering the people docile. Add that to children being managed by the state to be indoctrinated from a young age, and the 'loving their servitude' becomes realistic. They will always be at odds with nature though to some extent, as their instincts will have been suppressed.

And I agree in that much of the technology that is being suppressed now could come out of the woodwork because it would be less disruptive under controlled conditions. Of course, that will include both good and bad tech.