Aurora, CO Batman Shooting. Trial underway.

[Edge Guerrero]

In colorado, background check is all that is necessary. but in the day & age of the NSA, wouldn't some young kid going around town purchasing a small arsenal & enough ammo online for a small army raise a few red flags? and the money that would cost? & some of that stuff wasn't the kind of gear you walk in to your local gander mountain & buy over the counter. I could be wrong, but seems like overkill for a struggling college student.

- I think it's stupid to sell guns so easy that way.
Some people wan't guns with the intention of using them with any little provocation.

[Daglord]

just another day in the james holmes trial...

“He (Brauchler) is wrong, because mental illness is everything! I’m the biological mother; she’s the surrogate! They took him away from me! And they adopted him because they knew they (inaudible) … My family is full of FBI. (inaudible) … He didn’t know! Don’t kill him. Don’t kill him. It’s not his fault! (inaudible)”

[Daglord]

James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 20 Part 4)

District Attorney George Brauchler is expected to call one of two psychiatrists who evaluated James Holmes for the courts. Dr. William Reid is expected to be on the stand for days as prosecutors have said they plan to show 22 hours of taped interviews.

Spoiler:

http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting-trial/ci_28204927/aurora-theater-shooting-trial-latest-from-day-20

The first videotaped interview with Holmes took place on July 30, 2014. It began with introductions and pleasantries -- and a warning that nothing Holmes said would be confidential.

Reid brought Holmes some juice to drink during the video. He had heard that Holmes preferred juice over water.

In the courtroom, Holmes first watched the video of himself from his chair behind the defense table but later stared straight ahead.

Holmes told Reid that he flew in a prop plane on part of the trip to Pueblo. He also said it snowed part of the time, but he wasn't scared during the flight.

The first question was, "How are they treating you at the jail?"

"Good," Holmes said.

Holmes explained that he was in solitary because there was so much press that it wouldn't be safe to live with the general population. He only interacted with the guards when they brought food.

Holmes said he was keeping to a routine of exercise, sleep and eating. "I can do pacing in the cell. I can do jumping jacks and steps," Holmes said.

He got about two hours outside the cell per day. He described the yard as an enclosed box with no grass.

Holmes said his pupils had been enlarged since he had been in jail. He thought it was because of medication.

Holmes said he didn't mind being sent to Pueblo. The food was better, and he was staying in a bigger cell.

"It's kind of a break from my normal routine," Holmes said.

3:48 p.m.

The psychiatrist asked Holmes what he needed to know about him.

Holmes at first said the question was broad, but Reid said that is how psychiatrists ask questions.

"I'm kind of shy, I guess," Holmes said.

Holmes said he didn't like talking to people, but he didn't mind talking to his family and friends.

His family came to visit him in jail.

He then described how his parents had an "Ikea adventure" in San Diego, trying to order furniture. He said that was a story his parents told when they visited him. His parents first visited about eight months after he was arrested.

"Do you remember the day you were arrested?" Reid asked.

"Yeah, July 20, 2012," Holmes said.

"I'm testing your memory." Reid said.

A lawyer accompanied Holmes' family on the visit.

The video was interrupted briefly after jurors said they could not hear and they wanted to dim the lights.

4:00 p.m.

Reid asked if Holmes remembered anything else he and his parents talked about or how he felt seeing his parents.

"Yeah, it felt good seeing them," Holmes said.

He did not remember specifics of their conversations. Aside from lawyers, they were his first visitors. He said it was an emotional time for him and his parents. He said his mother broke down when she was leaving but "she held up pretty good." Holmes did not cry.

When asked what makes him cry, Holmes said "regrets."

"Usually, it's before I go to sleep," he said. When asked what the regrets were about, he responded, "About the shooting."

Holmes said he sometimes had trouble going to sleep, most likely because he was sedentary most of the time.

Holmes talked about a second visit with his parents. They talked about what was going on in San Diego and how they were doing. Holmes left San Diego in 2010 and he said his friends from home had moved across the country.

Holmes said he chose to go to graduate school in Colorado because of the interesting scenery -- the Rocky Mountains -- and the things to do. He also said the university professors' research interested him.

Colorado also offered a training grant that provided more money than what the University of Chicago-Urbana had offered him.

In the year between college and starting graduate school, Holmes moved home with his parents and got a job in a vitamin factory where he coated pills. He worked there for three months. Holmes described it as a mediocre job because it was routine factory work with little novelty. He got the job through a temp agency because he wanted to get out of the house.

Holmes quit to start going on interviews at graduate schools. He had been offered a permanent position.

"I don't think I could do that permanently," Holmes said.

4:09 p.m.

Holmes said it was OK living with his parents, but he preferred living independently where there were no "house rules."

He was living in his sister's old room.

Holmes went to undergraduate school at the University of California, Riverside. He said, "There's not much of a river there."

Holmes lived in an honors dorm during his first year. He thought the atmosphere was fun because he got to meet a bunch of people. He later moved into an off-campus apartment. He studied neuroscience.

He described dorm life as communal "so you get to know people in the dorm." Holmes said it helped him meet new people.

His roommate was an entomologist who kept tarantulas in their room. He handled the spiders but didn't like it.

Holmes said he went out to dinner with friends and sometimes partied. He also said there was lots of studying.

"There's usually no way around not studying," he said.

Holmes had a full-ride, so his tuition was covered. "My parents are really nice so they paid for the dorm and my food," Holmes said.

He drove a sporty coupe model of Hyundai.

Holmes said he was not a huge drinker in college. "Only social," he said. He never drank so much he passed out. "I'm part Irish," he said.

Holmes said he had female friends in college, but he never had a girlfriend.

"Partying was like once a year," Holmes said. "It wasn't an everyday thing for me."

4:23 p.m.

Throughout the video, Holmes sat straight in his chair with his hands resting in his lap.

The psychiatrist asked about Holmes' high school experience after they discussed his college years.

He went to a public high school.

"I enjoyed the school work and hanging out with friends," Holmes said.

He particularly liked math and science, especially biology. He was not a physics fan.

Holmes finished high school with a 4.0 grade point average. He had a 3.9 average in college. He took AP history, computer science and science. He enjoyed studying European civilization more than U.S. history. He liked the monarchies and Louis the XIV.

He went out with friends that he had had since middle school. Mostly, his friends were boys, and they played video games together. They played Starcraft.

He ran cross country and played junior varsity soccer. He always played defense in soccer and had played since elementary school. He played intramural soccer his freshman year of college.

When asked if he had a girlfriend in high school, Holmes said no. "Some asked," he said. He smiled when asked if he went out when asked. He said he had never been interested in dating men.

The psychiatrist asked Holmes about making a video in high school where he and other guys were playing military roles. Holmes said they were re-enacting "All Quiet on the Western Front" for a school project.

Holmes also did a three-month internship between high school and college at Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif. He did programming for the institute. The psychiatrist had trouble understanding some of the complicated projects that Holmes worked on at the institute.

4:37 p.m.

Reid, the psychiatrist, transitioned from asking about high school to probing Holmes about his family life.

Holmes' family lived in a two-story Spanish-style villa in San Diego with a pool in the back yard. Holmes described it as a "cookie cutter" house.

His mother, Arlene Holmes, was a nurse. His father, Bob Holmes, worked in statistical analysis.

When asked to describe family life, Holmes answered, "Typical suburbia."

They were happy and well-rounded, Holmes said. "Loving, too," he said.

They talked to each other. There were hugs.

"I wasn't really shy around my own family," Holmes said.

Holmes described his sister as friendly and adventurous. She is into writing songs and playing the guitar. Their relationship was caring and supportive.

When they were younger, she always wanted to do what he was doing.

But when asked what his sister thought of her big brother, Holmes could not answer. He guessed she thought of him as a good big brother.

When Holmes moved away to college, they did not keep up with each other as much.

His sister visited with his parents in 2014. Holmes thought it was good to see her. She reacted normally to seeing him, Holmes said, but the psychiatrist pushed him to be more detailed.

"She was glad to see me. She wasn't sad or anything," Holmes said.

He said his mother seemed concerned about him. His father wasn't showing concern and neither was his sister. He did not have much contact with his sister after college and that continued after his arrest.

"We kind of went in separate directions," Holmes said.

"Do you love your sister?" Reid asked.

"Yep," Holmes answered.

His sister lives in her own apartment in San Diego. She is not married and does not have children.

4:42 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes what he thought his parents' feelings were about his arrest and how it had impacted them.

"Negatively," Holmes said.

But Reid pushed Holmes to put himself in their place and speculate about how they might feel.

"I guess it makes them sad," he said.

When Holmes was asked about how his parents reacted to his arrest, he said they got him lawyers. But the psychiatrist wanted him to talk about their internal reactions. Holmes answered that they were sad and they had grief. He also said he would be sad if it was his son and he would want to help him as much as possible.

5:02 p.m.

The psychiatrist then asked about the time period when Holmes' family lived in Salinas, Calif. Holmes described it as suburban and said he played games such as capture the flag and basketball with friends.

The neighborhood was friendly and people knew each other.

He described his family as typical.

"I don't know what typical is like," Reid said. "Every family is different. Tell me what your family was like."

Holmes said they were active and energetic. And everyone went about their day. They made pizzas. He would dig holes in the ground and make a homemade water park. "I would get a shovel and dig a hole in the ground then fill it up with water and jump in it," he said. His little sister would sometimes dig the holes with him.

The Holmes family called him "Jimmy." He started going by "James" in college. There was no real evolution. It just changed, Holmes said. His family still calls him "Jimmy."

Reid asked if Holmes' relationship with his parents changed over the years. He said he always had been close to his mother, and that hadn't changed.

He said his relationship with his father, who coached his childhood soccer teams, was the same, too. He talked about going to the beach and getting ice cream with his father. His father helped him move to college. Holmes named those activities when asked about the three most important things his father had done for him.

Reid asked for the three most important things his mother has done for him. Holmes said they were writing letters, taking him on a Where's Waldo adventure at a zoo and eating spaghetti together. They also did art projects such as papier-mache or tie-dying T-shirts with him and his sister.

Many of Reid's questions centered on the mundane parts of life such as cooking frozen pizzas and making rice and chicken.

5:23 p.m.

For Valentine's Day, he cooked onion-crusted chicken for his girlfriend. They had ice cream for dessert.

The psychiatrist wanted to know more about Valentine's Day with his girlfriend.

"I lit candles, good-smelling candles," Holmes said. "Then we watched movies on Netflix."

They watched Saturday Night Live and music videos.

Holmes said he likes techno music. He likes the rhythmic repetition and the keyboard and electronic sounds. "I usually listen to it privately," Holmes said.

"It kinds of helps me focus. I used listen to it a lot when I was reading academic journals," he said.

Holmes also said he enjoyed pop music on the radio. He named Katy Perry as a favorite. He also is a fan of electronic artist Tiesto. Holmes said he was not a dancer.

From there, Holmes began describing his romantic interests. He described two women he had tried to date as cheerful and bubbly.

He tried dating a girl in college but she was Persian and her family wanted her to be with someone from her ethnicity. He also dated a woman he met as a summer camp counselor in Glendale, Calif. They went to movies but "it was hard to get started," Holmes said.

"I've heard wild things about those camp counselors," Reid said.

They went back to a cabin after the movies but nothing really happened, Holmes said. They also rode to Hollywood with other camp counselors, who were going to a dance club. He and the woman just walked around, and he drove the group home because the others were drunk.

Holmes said the camp counselor woman would describe him as shy, kind, caring, funny and smart.

"You can't sum up a person in five minutes," Holmes said.

"I know. Give me some more," Reid said.

"I can't," Holmes said.

"Give it a try," Reid said.

"Caring, quiet," Holmes said.

Holmes described the camp with horses, a swimming pool and a game room. They lived in cabins with the children. They sang them songs. There weren't many camp fires because of the threat of wild fire.

One of the songs was a song about spaghetti and a song about a worm.

"You're not going to make me sing it are you?" Holmes said with a laugh.

Holmes said the camp was stressful because he had to be social. "It wears me down having to take care of so many kids," he said.

Holmes believed he was more aware of the responsibility of taking care of children after the experience. Most of the kids were underprivileged. Many had attention deficit disorder.

5:27 p.m.

Reid closed his first session with Holmes by setting up the schedule for following interviews.

They took a break for lunch and agreed to meet again at 2 p.m. Reid said he would interview Holmes again the next day at 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. Then they would discuss their meetings for the third day.

"Any questions you have for me before we break for lunch?" Reid asked.

"Nope," Holmes said.

The first segment of the video was the last presentation for the day. The jury was dismissed at 5:25 p.m.

Jurors will continue watching the video interview on Friday.

James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 21 Parts 1-4)

The jury will continue Friday to watch video-taped sessions between James Holmes and Dr. William Reid. Reid is a court-appointed psychiatrist who evaluated Holmes and video taped 22 hours of interviews with him. Prosecutor George Brauchler wants to show the jury the entire 22 hours. The evaluation and video footage are expected to be key to the prosecution's assertion that Holmes was fully aware of what he was doing and capable of knowing right from wrong at the time of the July 20, 2012 shooting.

Spoiler:

http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting-trial/ci_28213308/aurora-theater-shooting-trial-latest-from-day-21

The jury returned at 9:48 p.m., and the video began.

The video of Holmes begins with Holmes talking about daylong bus trips to Tijuana to help in orphanages. He participated through a community volunteer group that he found in college.

"I thought it would be a good experience," Holmes said. "Just learning about children and how they grew up. I just wanted to learn more about children in general."

He went once every three months. He played soccer and cards with the children. He recalled a memory of buying toys and delivering them at Christmas. Holmes donated money to help buy the toys.

"We made a hotdog and Cheeto's lunch. Something very healthy," Holmes said about the Christmas visit.

Holmes didn't have memories of any specific kids. He said there were 30 to 50 children who lived there. The children were cheerful over the presents, Holmes said. But he didn't recall any feelings that he had while watching them open the gifts.

10:05 a.m.

Holmes said his volunteer activities including gardening at his mother's church. He was in high school.

The conversation then moved toward Holmes' religious experiences.

The family attended Presbyterian, Lutheran and other Protestant churches. He attended regularly between second and ninth grade. The family would get donuts or Taco Bell after church.

"We used to, but I stopped going," Holmes said.

Holmes' mother really liked going, but Holmes said he was never really a religious guy. At Sunday school, he recalled couches and it being "a relaxed atmosphere." They would read passages from the Bible.

Reid asked if Holmes remembered any passages, sermons or songs.

"Glory, glory hallelujah or something," Holmes said.

"How hard was it for them to get you to go to church?" Reid asked.

"They bribed me with Taco Bell," Holmes said.

Holmes said church played an insignificant role in his life. It was important to his mother, but he and his father went to please his mother.

10:07 a.m.

When asked about his parents' relationship, Holmes said they cared about each other and were close to each other.

"You could see love between them," Holmes said.

The video was abruptly interrupted when a juror passed a note to the judge that a break was needed.

10:38 a.m.

A five-minute break for a juror lasted much longer.

A juror is not feeling well so they gave her time. The juror thinks she can make it, but there may be more breaks, Samour said.

The courtroom temperature has been lowered because the juror thinks it might help. Others may need jackets and sweaters, the judge said.

The jury returned at 10:38 a.m.

10:50 a.m.

The video resumed with the psychiatrist asking Holmes about his parents' relationship. He never perceived any conflict between his parents.

The psychologist asked if feelings ever changed between Holmes and his parents. He felt tension when he came home after college and did not have a job.

Holmes said his mother felt he wasn't doing anything and needed a job. His father was more quiet about it. That's when Holmes got his job at a pill-coating factory. He saved his income because he was living at home.

The psychiatrist then moved back to asking about religion.

Reid wanted to know if religion was ever important in Holmes' life in middle or high school.

Holmes did not attend a church service after leaving home.

When asked about his religious views, Holmes replied "I kind of believe God is everything. He doesn't really need to be worshiped or prayed to. He's everything in total."

When asked to elaborate, Holmes said, "He's in our actions and thoughts. He's the collective sum of everything."

Reid wanted to know whether Holmes thought God paid attention to what was happening on earth and cared what was happening.

"Well, that would kind of mean he's paying attention to himself because he's everything," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes thought God cared about what people do. When Holmes said "yes and no," Reid told him he was playing both sides of the street.

But Holmes said positives and negatives would be addressed if they were going to talk about everything.

Would God care about the shooting? Reid asked. Yes, Holmes said, because it is changing something.

"It's changing life to death," Holmes said.

11:01 a.m.

People had described Holmes as a loner to Reid, and Holmes agreed with that assessment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, Holmes said he would be a 10 when it comes to be a loner. Ten would be the highest.

He often felt out of the group even when he was with other people.

His girlfriend in graduate school once got angry because he did not want to go to a bar. He stayed home and she went.

Holmes also said he preferred living alone in an apartment in college rather than a dorm. He also preferred playing online video games.

"When I'm around people I'm kind of anxious," Holmes said. "I know they expect you to say something."

Holmes described feeling fidgety and fearful around other people. He often wanted to escape. When others are talking, he does not know what to say.

"It depends on how long I'm around them to whether they notice or not," Holmes said.

When they do notice him, he feels embarrassed. They stare, Holmes said, and wonder why he isn't talking. He also is sure they think there is something weird about him, Holmes said.

Holmes had walked in and heard people talking about him in the past. He recalled one instance where other camp counselors were playing chess. When they left, he heard them say something about him.

"I ignored it," Holmes said.

But Holmes said it made him feel like there was something wrong with him.

11:10 a.m.

Next, Reid wanted to know if Holmes ever thought there was something weird about himself. The psychiatrist probed Holmes to talk more about feeling weird.

Holmes said he was very comfortable with his family and close friends.

How quickly does it take Holmes to get comfortable around others?

"Oh, spending a long time with them," Holmes said. "Specifically, I don't know how long."

Holmes told Reid that he felt uncomfortable with him. He felt comfortable with his defense attorneys.

"I've been with them for a while," Holmes said.

As for the staff at Pueblo, whom he had met during a previous stay, Holmes said he wasn't very comfortable with them.

"If you have something to do, it's a way to avoid talking, direct confrontation," Holmes said.

Holmes enjoyed being in class because he could focus on the lectures and did not have to interact with classmates. He never asked classmates for help, but he would help them if asked. He didn't mind working with classmates toward a goal.

"Do you think after a few days you'll do more talking?" Reid asked.

"It'll get better," Holmes said

When asked what would be the the worst thing that could happen in a social situation, Holmes said it would be starting a fight. But Holmes had trouble explaining how fights and confrontations end.

Sticking with the worst-case scenario, Reid asked what would be the worst way a fight could end.

"If someone got offended," Holmes said. "If I didn't say the right thing."

Holmes appeared more worried about offending others than him being offended.

But would being offended be the worst thing that could happen? Reid asked.

"Someone getting killed," Holmes said.

But Holmes told the psychiatrist he could not see himself killing someone or being killed.

11:17 a.m.

The conversation moved to fear.

Holmes' description of people's reaction to fear was clinical as he talked about fright or flight.

He said he froze, but acknowledged that didn't fit into either category. Later, Holmes said he usually fled and did escapist things.

Holmes got into little scuffles as a kid but never physically fought as an adult.

As for arguments, Holmes said he usually ignored verbal attackers.

"There's usually a lot of verbal attackers in jail," Holmes said. "But I usually ignore them and they stop."

In jail, other inmates called Holmes a "baby killer."

When Holmes moved around the jail, the halls were locked down. But the cleaning trustees yelled things at him when they passed his cell.

11:25 a.m.

Holmes described himself as freezing when forced into conversations with people.

He noticed it getting worse in graduate school, especially when discussing lab work in groups. Holmes felt like he was being put on the spot even when he understood the lesson.

"I usually knew what was going on but I had trouble saying it," Holmes said.

The psychiatrist wanted Holmes to walk him through what happens when he freezes.

Holmes said people would wait for him to say something but would move on when he didn't speak. Then, the freezing would stop.

He said he would understand the work, but he couldn't bring himself to speak. When he got to take work home and explain it, "That was easy," he said.

11:31 a.m.

Holmes said his favorite book by John Steinbeck was "Of Mice and Men." He liked the characters.

He said he identified with Lenny. That character was big, lumbering and childlike.

When asked why he identified with Lenny, "I don't know. I'm frozen," Holmes said.

Then, Holmes recalled Lenny crushing a mouse, pulling a girl's dress and being schizophrenic.

"I just thought he was the most interesting character in the book," Holmes aid.

"He also was the character almost everyone in the book misunderstood," Reid said.

"I don't know," Holmes said.

When asked about the relationship between George and Lenny, Holmes recalled that George liked Lenny because he could do a lot of hard work. "That's what made it hard for George to kill Lenny in the end," he said.

But Holmes didn't remember how George killed Lenny. He just knew that George had to kill Lenny because he was closest to him, Holmes said.

11:40 a.m.

Holmes read the Goosebumps series of children's books.

He remembered scary stuff, but he didn't stay frightened.

"Well, it always ends," Holmes said.

Holmes said he used to believe there were "nail ghosts" in his bedroom. "Ghosts would hammer nails through the wall," he said.

They came from his imagination.

"You've got to tell me all about these nail ghosts," Reid said. "Psychiatrists always want to hear all about these childhood monsters."

Holmes said he couldn't sleep because the ghosts would drive the nails through the walls and get him. He eventually got over it.

He also was afraid of the dark and his parents got him a night light.

Sometimes, he would get in bed with his parents to get away from the monsters.

"Does the froze feeling bear any resemblance to being scared of monsters or afraid of the dark?" Reid asked.

"No," Holmes said. The visceral feeling of fear was not the same.

Holmes said those fears of monsters didn't carry over into adulthood, but he did have violent thoughts about people.

He imagined saws cutting people or people's heads getting cut off. It started in high school.

"They would just pop up randomly," Holmes said.

11:45 a.m.

Reid wanted Holmes to give detailed descriptions of what he imagined when he had violent thoughts.

Holmes described seeing the saw cut off a person's face. But he would not describe the saw as an ally.

Why didn't the saw seem to be an ally? Reid asked.

"The saw's doing it on its own," Holmes said.

These fantasies and images would happen when he would freeze.

He also imagined setting off atomic bombs to cause a nuclear winter.

"It's unrealistic," Holmes said. "I don't know why it's popping up."

He thought maybe it popped up because he was frustrated.

11:47 a.m.

Reid told Holmes that all psychiatrists want to hear about their patient's sex life.

Holmes' graduate school girlfriend was his first sexual experience.

"It was a successful relationship," he said.

They had sex three or four times a week, Holmes said. They dated for two months before they had sex. The relationship lasted six months, Holmes said.

11:55 a.m.

Reid had compiled a list of 10 to 15 things that other people said about Holmes. Reid wanted to discuss each point with Holmes.

The first was "before and after the shooting he was trying to keep it together."

Holmes said it meant was trying to keep his life together. But Reid said he interpreted it as Holmes trying to keep his mind together.

Holmes agreed, saying he became more disorganized. "My mind was kind of falling apart," he said.

The feeling really picked up after he returned to graduate school after his Christmas break, Holmes said.

"I guess I also was really depressed," Holmes said.

He and his girlfriend had broken up in early 2012. He didn't have the drive to finish things and felt stuck in a rut.

"I generally have a pessimistic view," Holmes said. "That's all the time."

11:47 a.m.

The trial broke for lunch at 11:55 p.m.

Judge Samour gave an hour for the break. The jury ate a catered lunch, provided by the court.

11:55 a.m.

Reid had compiled a list of 10 to 15 things that other people said about Holmes. Reid wanted to discuss each point with Holmes.

The first was "before and after the shooting he was trying to keep it together."

Holmes said it meant was trying to keep his life together. But Reid said he interpreted it as Holmes trying to keep his mind together.

Holmes agreed, saying he became more disorganized. "My mind was kind of falling apart," he said.

The feeling really picked up after he returned to graduate school after his Christmas break, Holmes said.

"I guess I also was really depressed," Holmes said.

He and his girlfriend had broken up in early 2012. He didn't have the drive to finish things and felt stuck in a rut.

"I generally have a pessimistic view," Holmes said. "That's all the time."

11:57 a.m.

The trial broke for lunch at 11:55 p.m.

Judge Samour gave an hour for the break. The jury ate a catered lunch, provided by the court.

1:05 p.m.

The court returned from recess at 1:02 p.m.

The jury will finish watching the remainder of a two-hour video. Then, Brauchler will ask questions of Reid, the psychiatrist who taped his video sessions with Holmes.

Brauchler plans to show one more two-hour video this afternoon.

For the rest of the day, the jury will take more frequent, but shorter breaks. That's because a juror is not feeling well.

1:12 p.m.

Depression is suicidal, Holmes told the psychiatrist.

"I transferred my suicidal thoughts into homicidal," Holmes said.

The depression also caused Holmes to lose concentration. He played video games more, and he also spent time lying on the couch.

Holmes did not have thoughts of himself dying. He also did not feel guilty.

Holmes said thinking of nuclear winter was losing contact with reality. He didn't believe he was living in a nuclear winter, but it was an intrusive thought.

The image in his mind? "Just a big atomic bomb cloud," Holmes said. It's an incendiary thing that obliterates everything.

"I don't see people in it," he said.

1:21 p.m.

Reid continued reading statements that other people had made about Holmes.

They said he was an interesting person.

"Oh, I don't know about that," Holmes said. "That's flattering."

Reid also said Holmes had been described as "extremely bright."

Holmes said that was because he worked hard and studied. But he never described himself that way.

"I'm more modest than that," he said.

Another phrase was "awkward around other people, having difficulty in social situations." That already had been the topic of a lengthy discussion between Holmes and Reid.

More than one person said "pretty much similar to other research grad students." Reid said.

Holmes agreed that he did not stand out. He described himself as studious and hard-working.

Next was "very angry."

"That's inaccurate," Holmes said. But he couldn't explain why people were wrong to say that about him.

But Reid asked him about his feelings toward mankind.

"I wrote 'hatred of mankind' in the notebook," Holmes said. "To me hatred is kind of like hating broccoli or something. Not a fiery, angry, passionate hate."

He went on to say he hated being around mankind because they made him uncomfortable. But he again said he was never angry.

1:30 p.m.

The next phrase people used to described Holmes as "very self-centered."

Holmes said that was true. He lived in his own world.

Reid started exploring Holmes' perception of his own mental illness.

Holmes said he started thinking about it when he was in middle school. The phrase Holmes used for himself in middle school was "broken brain."

Reid told Holmes that it was not an uncommon phrase for people to use to describe themselves.

"It's got alliteration," Holmes said.

Holmes said it led him to want to understand more about the human brain and how it works. He didn't know if his brain could be fixed. He wanted to know how normal people's brains worked. He started thinking about neuroscience as a career when he was 14.

"I sought career options which could kind of be related to that," Holmes said. "It's one of the reasons I went into neuroscience."

Video games, school work and sports made Holmes' problems go away.

1:33 p.m.

The next phrase Reid gave was "A good bet for admitting to neuroscience grad school."

"What does that mean?" Holmes said.

Reid said people who saw his applications, reviewed his records or interviewed him thought he was a good candidate.

Holmes took that to mean he had good grades in high school and on his graduate admissions test.

But the next phrase was "Holmes would be a bad bet for admitting to neuroscience school."

Holmes suspected they would say that because of his social awkwardness. He remembered freezing during his grad school interviews.

1:37 p.m.

Reid told Holmes that people had said he was "disdainful of others."

Holmes acknowledged that would be related to his hatred of mankind.

Holmes also said he didn't see a purpose for living. He didn't see why would people would raise a family with a "cookie cutter wife."

1:40 p.m.

Reid wanted to know about Holmes "avoiding tough personal questions or tough personal answers"

"I'm asking you a lot of tough personal questions," Reid said. "Are you trying to avoid answering them?"

Holmes said he wasn't avoiding answering questions but that he was giving concise answers.

Reid told Holmes that he thought he was freezing during their conversation. Holmes agreed there were things in his head that needed to come out.

1:50 p.m.

Holmes said he was paranoid. But he didn't think it was severe.

Reid asks: As you were going into the theater as the shooting occurred, did you fear the FBI was following you and would stop you?

Holmes said he thought he was under surveillance. A little piece of him hoped he was under surveillance. "So they could lock me away before I did it," Holmes said.

During an interview with a psychologist in graduate school, Holmes thought she locked him out of her office because she was afraid of him.

She had written the wrong name on a prescription for him.

He put an emoticon in the title of an e-mail with the wrong name on the prescription as an attachment. On the next visit, the door was locked. Holmes thought she was scared of him and feared he would punch her. He also saw her put something behind her chair and he thought she must have had a Taser for protection. He now thinks it may have been a gift she had received.

In an interview with another counselor, that doctor had his arm wrapped. At the time, Holmes thought he probably had a knife wrapped in it. "So he could be in control of the session," Holmes said.

It would have been logical for them to be afraid, Holmes said, because he already had started gathering weapons.

1:51 p.m.

The conversation with a psychiatrist about paranoia ended the second session with Holmes.

The prosecution finished playing that segment and began asking questions about the video to Dr. Reid.

2:04 p.m.

Brauchler asked Reid questions about the most recent segment of the video interviews.

The psychiatrist asked Holmes about his demeanor during the interviews, which is very flat. Reid wanted to know if that was how Holmes always was.

Holmes said it was.

Holmes sits straight and still. His hands stay in his lap and he rarely uses body language or facial expressions when speaking. It will appear that way during the remaining hours of the video.

One psychiatrist, hired by the defense, will describe Holmes as about to cry and his body shaking during an interview, Brauchler said.

Brauchler asked Reid to talk about Holmes' description of freezing when in large groups or being put on the spot. Reid said he would be glad to elaborate.

Typically, people escape when scared. But Holmes freezes, which is unusual for an adult, Reid said.

"We see that in small children," he said.

As we mature, the same kinds of things are deep in a person's psyche, Reid said. Adult brains automatically take care of fears. But with Holmes that "primitive or almost infantile way of dealing with fear is close to the surface."

Regular people would not be aware as it happens, but Holmes is aware when he sees saws cutting off people's heads during a conversation.

"It's very uncomfortable for him to see this powerful anger inside himself," Reid said.

The early conversations with Holmes were helping Reid understand whether Holmes was capable of controlling himself.

"There was significant mental illness going on," Reid said.

It was not the fantasy. Those fantasies are in all of us, but they were real with Holmes. Most people would need to spend a lengthy amount of time in psychoanalysis to know they were there, Reid said.

2:07 p.m.

Holmes was guarded in the interviews, Reid said.

It appeared, however, that it was a form of psychological protection rather than for legal purposes, Reid said.

2:17 p.m.

Some of the sound quality issues for the video were discussed.

An air conditioning system in the room where Reid interviewed Holmes caused interference. A water fountain behind them also was loud when it would cool water, Reid said.

Technicians are trying to refine the sound quality for jurors.

The jury took a 10-minute break before the next video segment.

2:47 p.m.

The third video segment was filmed on the morning of July 31, 2014. It lasts about two hours.

Reid asked Holmes about other times in his life when he was depressed. Holmes said the period during the spring and early summer of 2012 was the worst.

Holmes said he once tried "para-suicide," meaning he did not go all the way through it. He sawed at his wrist with cardboard when he was in his early teens.

At the time, his family was moving back to San Diego. He did not want to leave friends in Salinas, Calif. He did it in a family van on the drive back to San Diego. He used a piece of cardboard from a moving box. It broke the skin.

"I just felt ignored ... in their decision to go back to San Diego," Holmes said.

His parents didn't know about it. Holmes wanted to keep it private.

Reid used this story to begin asking Holmes about other kinds of pain he has kept inside.

Holmes said he didn't know.

"Sure you do," Reid said.

2:57 p.m.

Holmes really, really did not want to discuss any pain he had kept inside.

But Reid disagreed and kept pushing.

"Shrinks like to hear things many different times and in many different ways," Reid said. "You've talked to shrinks so you know that."

Holmes' family took him to see a psychiatrist named "Mel" when he was a kid. The point was to have a stronger, more connected family, Holmes said. He said his mother made them do it. They went about 10 times.

Holmes remembered "Mel" telling about anger he held after never receiving an apology from a man who hit him while riding a bicycle.

"I know Mel's story but I don't know my mom's story, I guess," Holmes said.

Reid repeatedly tried to get Holmes to explain what was going on with him that would have led his mother to take the family to counseling together.

"I don't know her reasons for starting therapy," Holmes said.

3:03 p.m.

Mental illness runs in the Holmes family.

Arlene Holmes' father had to be hospitalized. He died of cancer when Holmes was little.

An aunt, Betty Holmes, is schizophrenic. She has paranoid delusions and does not talk much, Holmes said. But she is a kind and loving aunt.

Holmes last saw his aunt during a Thanksgiving a visit a couple of years before the shooting. Reid wanted Holmes to compare himself to his aunt.

"She doesn't talk very much, either," Holmes said.

3:19 p.m.

Holmes had thought about getting married and having children. He thought about buying a house and supporting children.

Holmes' girlfriend told him she did not see a future with him when she broke up with him.

They never talked about the future together. He wasn't very talkative with her.

He noticed the break-up was coming because the girlfriend was acting more distant. It made him sad. The sadness was debilitating and morose, Holmes said.

3:35 p.m.

Holmes liked to watch "Big Bang Theory. "So did Reid.

Holmes said he identified with the character Leonard Hofstadter because the character is a scientist and socially awkward. Holmes also liked the character's sense of humor and seeing the adventures the characters had together.

Holmes hiked Dinosaur Ridge with friends, went to the natural history museum in Denver and toured beer factories. He named his girlfriend and two other guys who went on those trips.

Holmes described his most adventurous time as bar-hopping on St. Patrick's Day in 2012. They went to Irish bars and a dance club. The psychiatrist asked if it meant anything to Holmes to have a girlfriend when other guys in his group did not.

The girlfriend dumped Holmes. A few weeks later they got back together. Then he broke up with her.

During their brief reunion, Holmes said, "I knew there was not going to be a future between us."

After the break-up, he stopped hanging out with the group because it reminded him too much of his ex-girlfriend, Holmes said.

Holmes texted another female classmate to hang out. They went on one hike together. She asked to do more things together but Holmes did not want to. When asked why, Holmes said, "By that time I had red hair," Holmes said.

Reid wanted to know why red hair had anything to do with not having relationships.

"I didn't want to put her in jeopardy...like being a girlfriend to a murderer," Holmes said.

At that point, Holmes had decided to murder people. It was May or June 2012.

3:37 p.m.

By May and June 2012, killing people had become Holmes' main focus.

He described it as "consuming."

The murderous thoughts became consuming when Holmes bought his first weapons - a stun gun and a knife.

Samour called for a break for the jury.

3:59 p.m.

The jury returned at 3:50 p.m.

Holmes continued talking about murderous thoughts taking over his life.

He first rationalized his stun gun and knife purchases as needs for self defense. He shopped for them online. He bought a stun gun that looks like a cell phone on Amazon.

He thought he might be attacked by "thugs." He thought they would beat him up and steal his money. But he imagined himself shocking them with his stun gun.

The knife was a Smith & Wesson folding knife. Holmes said he felt safe when the weapons arrived. He practiced both. The stun gun was louder than he expected it to be.

4:04 p.m.

Holmes talked about using tear gas as an offensive measure in an attack.

"You're causing someone to move," he said.

But then he said it would be a defensive maneuver to keep people from coming toward him.

4:10 p.m.

Holmes bought a .40-caliber Glock 22. He tried to buy it online because it was cheaper but there were too many regulations. So, he went to Gander Mountain to buy it.

Holmes picked the Glock because he thought it would be more accurate and had great stopping power. He researched guns online.

He first intended to use the gun for self-defense.

"Then it went towards other purposes," Holmes said. "Offensively. Toward another people."

He then had fantasies of using it for "mass murder."

He imagined shooting into a crowd instead of picking out people, who were going about their business.

As he was buying weapons, Holmes said his thoughts were toward a "mission to complete."

"There's no anger," Holmes said.

He felt obligated to do it. "There was no other alternative," Holmes said.

He was depressed and was transferring feelings from suicide to homicide.

4:14 p.m.

Holmes said he didn't really have suicidal thoughts because he was transferring them.

"I was almost, like, catatonic," Holmes said. "I didn't have any drive to do anything other than the mission."

Holmes said he did not have the energy to get up and do normal things. This was during May and June 2012.

He still was attending class but otherwise he stayed in bed at every opportunity.

Holmes had deleted his friends' numbers from his cell phone.

"I figured our friendship was over," he said.

4:23 p.m.

Holmes said he just "accepted the mission."

When asked about the seriousness of the mission, Holmes said, "I didn't think it was all that serious."

Reid wanted more explanation because he was buying weapons, including a .40-caliber Glock handgun.

"I didn't think the consequences through," Holmes said.

4:28 p.m.

Reid asked about the pressure, or strong impulse, to buy the weapons. He wanted to know if there was any change in his feelings after making the purchases.

"It just kept escalating," Holmes said.

Reid was comparing the compulsion to buy weapons to someone who feels a compulsion to check whether a door is locked. Once checked, the compulsion eases, Reid said.

Holmes said was "going from compulsion to compulsion."

Holmes became attached to his handgun. He took it apart and assembled it over and over.

4:30 p.m.

Holmes next bought a shotgun at Bass Pro Shops.

He read that people who were mentally ill couldn't buy guns but he learned it meant people who had been in an asylum. He still thought the mental illness prohibition might prevent him from buying a gun because had seen a psychiatrist.

Holmes thought he might be in a database somewhere. But he was not.

He ordered the gun and picked it up later.

Holmes bought ammunition in bulk online. Thousands and thousands of rounds, he said.

4:32 p.m.

Holmes then bought the assault rifle.

He thought about converting it to an automatic but didn't know how.

He then bought a Glock 23 handgun. It was a .40-caliber but had a shorter barrel than the first Glock he bought.

Then, he started buying body armor.

Holmes took a picture of himself in body armor holding the weapons.

"I don't know why I took them," Holmes said. "To be remembered, I guess."

Reid asked what he thought people would think when they looked at his selfies. What would they infer, Reid asked.

"That I'm a killer," Holmes said.

4:40 p.m.

The psychiatrist asked Holmes what he was thinking when he took the selfies of himself wearing body armor and holding weapons.

"This is a killer, what a killer looks like," Holmes said.

But Holmes said he didn't feel anything. "Except I would be remembered by those pictures," he said.

Reid asked what was going that would have made Holmes want to convey that image to others.

Holmes said he didn't think it was an accurate portrayal of who he was but that it was in the moment.

4:44 p.m.

In the days before the shooting, Holmes took pictures of the theater and his apartment.

Reid showed Holmes a picture of himself taken in the weeks before the shooting.

Holmes said the guy looked like a thug.

"He definitely doesn't look normal," Holmes said. "He looks scary."

Holmes said he was clean shaven before the shooting. He now has a beard because they don't have good razors in jail.

When asked why he dyed his hair, Holmes said, "To stand out."

He said it was exotic. He had never dyed his hair before.

Holmes picked red because he thought it would look better than green or blue.

He bought solid black contact lenses. They arrived on the day of the shooting. He couldn't see when he wore them because he normally wears prescription contacts.

4:46 p.m.

Besides the contacts, several other orders arrived either the day before or day of the shooting.

"I had my mind set on the day of the Batman premiere for when it was going to happen," Holmes said. "I was squeezed for time."

4:50 p.m.

Reid began asking Holmes about why he picked the Batman movie premiere for his attack.

"Did the Batman story have anything to do with you choosing the Batman premiere?" Reid asks.

"The main reason is I knew it would be a blockbuster hit and there would be a lot of people there," Holmes said.

If there were any connections between him and the character, it would have been unconscious.

4:47 p.m.

Reid showed Holmes another selfie.

The pictures Reid showed during the interview could not be seen in the courtroom.

But Holmes described this one as him pretending to blow out a fuse.

4:53 p.m.

Reid and Holmes discussed other pictures.

Holmes described himself as "deviish" looking in a couple of them. In one, for no particular reason, he stuck out his tongue.

He also took a picture of all the gear and equipment he had bought for the attack.

"I could buy all that stuff and nobody would notice," Holmes said.

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James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 22 Parts 1-4)

Jurors continued to watch video of one of the psychiatric evaluations of the Aurora theater shooting gunman on Day 22 of his trial. In the video interview by Dr. William Reid from July 2014, theater shooting gunman James Holmes said "I knew it was legally wrong," when asked if his "mission," as he referred to the shooting, was wrong. On Monday afternoon Reid took the stand and said he struggled to determine if what Holmes was describing was a delusion or not.

Spoiler:

http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting-trial/ci_28227922/aurora-theater-shooting-trial-latest-from-day-22

9:03 a.m.

Prosecutors continued playing Reid's interview with Holmes.

Reid asked Holmes about a photograph he took of all of his weapons and equipment. The photo was taken hours before the

shooting. Holmes purposefully used his "silky red" sheets so the weapons would show up better on his bed.

"It was just to show that I could buy all that stuff and nobody would notice," Holmes said. "That it's dangerous. That it's

a lot. It's almost like overkill."

Holmes would ride his bike everyday to work, he said. His apartment was close to the campus where he was taking classes

until the spring of 2012.

Holmes changed the lighting in his apartment. He put red light bulbs in some of the lights.

"I just thought it looks nice," Holmes said.

By the time he changed the light bulbs, Holmes had planned on drawing the police to his apartment on a noise complaint.

Holmes also personalized his apartment with his plant.

"I watered my plant every day," he said.

Holmes described his apartment as "clean" but "messy too," because he kept his clothes on the floor instead of in his

drawers. He used the drawers to store papers and other items.

On the walls, Holmes hung a "Pulp Fiction" movie poster. Holmes described the scene where John Travolta and Samuel L.

Jackson pointed their guns at someone right before they shot him.

He also had a poster from the movie "Anchorman" and a poster showing a shot of whisky and the phrase, "Challenge yourself."

He kept a case of Coors Light and a couple of bottles of liquor. Holmes said he would drink socially.

9:15 a.m.

Next Reid asked Holmes about a photo he took of himself in front of a poster with a woman on it. The photo makes it look like the woman is leaning over his shoulder.

Reid asked Holmes what impression the picture would make on other people.

"That I'm desirable," Holmes said.

"What might have you been thinking when you took it?" Reid asked.

Holmes didn't know.

"Were you a pretty desirable guy?" Reid asked.

"I would say so," Holmes said.

Reid asked if he wanted to feel more desirable. Holmes said he probably would.

"I was trying to feel desirable," Holmes said. "Just because I had broken up with my ex-girlfriend."

But Reid reminded Holmes that he had recently rebuffed his ex-girlfriend and another woman who he had gone on a date with. Reid asked Holmes if he was feeling lonely.

"No because I don't usually feel lonely when I'm alone," Holmes said.

Holmes said he has felt lonely since being arrested.

"Has your sister deserted you?" Reid asked.

"Nope. She and I are kind of living separate lives. But she still cares about me," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes where the "evidence was" that his sister hadn't "abandoned" him. Holmes said his sister came to visit him once with his parents. But she hasn't written him any letters.

9:21 a.m.

Holmes admitted that if he could, he probably wouldn't write to his sister or parents.

None of his friends have written to Holmes.

"They're probably moving on with their lives," Holmes said.

Reid asked what Holmes' friends think of him now.

"That I was a good friend," Holmes said. "That they knew me before the shooting."

He also said they would describe him as "mentally ill."

"They probably want to distance themselves from me so they don't get lumped in with a killer," Holmes said.

But when Reid pressed Holmes to describe their feelings toward him, Holmes said, "They probably still care about me."

Holmes said his parents and sister probably still have "warm" feelings toward him.

"Any chance they might be disgusted by you?" Reid asked?

"No. I think they might be supportive," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes what he thinks the public feels about him.

"Misunderstood," Holmes said. "They don't have the full picture of my life and what's happened."

9:25 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes if he had seen any of the media coverage of the shooting.

Holmes said his access to the news coverage was limited. He unusually doesn't choose to watch the news.

"They refer to me as the theater gunman," Holmes said.

After the shooting, Holmes said it was "interesting" to see the "different perspectives" of the coverage. He called some of the coverage "biased" and said the reports were wrong.

"They didn't take it from my perspective," Holmes said.

The media didn't look at the "psychological reasons of why it happened," Holmes said.

That line of questioning marked the end of the segment.

9:35 a.m.

Brauchler called Reid to the stand after the video segment was done playing.

He asked Reid to explain if there was any evidence of clinical depression for Holmes. Several times in the video Holmes said he was depressed.

"The word depression doesn't necessarily mean doctor-diagnosed depression," Reid said. "The review of the record in my opinion does not suggest any severe depression."

Reid said he did not find any notes in the doctors who met with Holmes before the shooting, indicating that Holmes was depressed. The only record Reid found of Holmes being depressed was in Holmes' notebook.

Reid said it is common that people in jail, awaiting trial, to express symptoms of depression.

On Friday, the interview included a segment that showed Holmes describing an incident when he was a child. Homes described running a piece of cardboard across his wrists in the back of the family van.

"I do not put this in the category of attempted suicide or thinking about death," Reid said.

None of the mental health professionals who saw Holmes before the shooting noted any concerns about suicide. One of the defense experts who interviewed Holmes, noted that Holmes said he wanted to commit suicide.

Again, Reid said it is not uncommon for someone awaiting a trial such as this to slip into thoughts of hurting themselves.

Also in the video, Holmes described "transferring" his "suicidal thoughts into homicidal thoughts."

Reid explained that Holmes never indicated that he had suicidal thoughts, but rather that he assumed the thoughts were there and were masked by the homicidal thoughts.

9:44 a.m.

Reid said that it appeared as if Holmes "misunderstood" the mental health diagnoses he gave himself.

In the time that Holmes was diagnosing himself he continued to ride his bike to class and to the store.

"Being able to form relationships is an important part of mental health," Reid said.

Holmes ability to have a close relationship with a woman is an example of healthy social activities.

Reid said Holmes' thoughts of having a family, home and the fact that he created the notebook with the intent of someone reading it shows that Holmes' did not think the world was going to end. Holmes also took pictures of himself that he intended others to see, Reid said.

Holmes never indicated that he was killing others to help save them from a catastrophic event, Reid said.

The items that Holmes bought before the shooting had a purpose. Holmes researched the weapons and items.

"He didn't go out and buy things willy nilly," Reid said.

The research and time Holmes took to purchase the items counter what Reid would see in a person experiencing a "manic" episode.

9:49 a.m.

"He says that he didn't want to kill children," Reid said.

Reid found that Holmes meticulously chose the theater where he carried out the shooting. Future interviews will show that Holmes had a "point system" for the people he killed, Reid said.

Children were a "class of victims" Holmes didn't want to use, Reid said.

The selfies Holmes took before the shooting were important in Reid's analysis.

"What does he think he is conveying," Reid said.

The photos show Holmes wanted people to see him as "strong," "dangerous" and "a person to be remembered."

"There's an implication there that he's pretty sure, or hopes there will be, people there to remember him. That is that the world is not going to end," Reid said.

10:02 a.m.

Prosecutors started playing the next segment of Reid's interview with Holmes. This segment was taken on the afternoon of July 31, 2014.

As in previous interviews, Holmes sat down and took a drink from a cup of juice Reid had placed there for him.

Reid says he wants to talk about Holmes apartment and the devices he left inside. Reid handed Holmes a photograph of the inside of his apartment.

Holmes quickly describes the different fuses and items he rigged inside his apartment.

"You press a button and it will light the fuse," Holmes said.

He can quickly pull back details of the remote code and the type of batteries it required. When Reid asks if it was complicated, Holmes says it's "pretty easy."

"You just put the wires in the right spot," Holmes said.

"I didn't get to test any of the incendiary devices. I assumed they wouldn't' work," Holmes said. "There was a small possibility it would work. Enough that they would be interested in stopping it."

Holmes said the devices were designed to look scary and intended to divert authorities away from the theater before the shooting began.

Loud music was timed to play on Holmes' computer after 15 minutes of silence, Holmes said.

"It was fully on the highest volume," Holmes said. "I left the door unlocked."

Reid asked if a civilian -- not a police officer -- would come to the door. Holmes said that is why he placed the trip wire were he did.

The set-up was designed to allow people to see the devices inside the apartment without them going off.

Holmes said he put a remote next to the trash bin so a "random person" outside could trigger the devices.

10:11 a.m.

"The most damage probably would have been caused by fire," Holmes said. "I didn't think anybody would get hurt from the incendiaries."

Holmes said the purpose of the devices did not have to do with killing people.

"I wouldn't want to be in that room when anything went off," Holmes said.

Holmes said the people in the apartment next door were probably safe.

Because it was the safest place, Holmes tested the fuses over the bathtub in his apartment.

"What kind of fantasies or thoughts went through your mind?" Reid asked.

"Just getting it done," Holmes replied.

Reid asked him what the result of getting it done would be.

"Just that it was unlikely that it would work," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to elaborate on the "mission" he described earlier.

"The mission was to go to the theater and shoot as many people as possible," Holmes said.

Reid asked if shooting people was part of a larger mission or plan. Holmes said it did not.

"What was it that made it important?" Reid asked.

"The alternative was suicide," Holmes said.

11:05 a.m.

After the morning break, the jury was brought back into the courtroom.

The judge gave the jury an instruction about how they may consider the information they receive from Reid and while watching the video. The video then resumed.

Holmes described for Reid a text message he sent to his ex-girlfriend before the shooting. The text message explained his idea of "human capital."

Taking the lives of others adds to his self-worth, Holmes said.

"You would still agree with that today?" Reid asked.

"Yeah," Holmes replied.

Reid urged Holmes to explain how he developed his theory.

"I just made it up," Holmes said.

Holmes elaborated that the idea for his theory came from economics. He compared people to countries.

"You conquer the country like you would in war and then you receive the economic benefits," Holmes said. "The conquering country would have increased their military effectiveness because they won the military battle."

Reid likened killing a person to "obliterating a country."

Holmes disagreed with the analogy because "you're no longer at war."

He also disagreed with the idea that Holmes pulled his theory from Friedrich Nietzche and other philosophers. Holmes admitted that they were influences but he developed the theory on his own.

Reid also asked Holmes if he ever researched or compared himself to other shooters, including the gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting. Holmes said he looked at "what they did and how they did it."

"You don't shoot the police or else they kill you," Holmes said. "I didn't seek out any improvements to their methods."

"Any similarities between you and those people?" Reid asked.

"Mental problems," Holmes replied. "We all had violent delusions."

Reid asked what happened to those people.

"They got either locked up or they died," Holmes replied.

The selfie Holmes took of himself reminded Reid of a photograph the shooter at Virginia Tech took. Holmes said he never saw any of those photographs.

Reid asked why Holmes didn't want to know any of the people who were in the theater.

Holmes said he wanted to remain impersonal.

11:25 a.m.

Again, Reid asked Holmes to describe where his mission came from.

"There wasn't command voices," Holmes said.

Reid asked if there was a feeling that a higher power was commanding him.

"No. I'd say I was my own authority," Holmes said.

Reid moved on and asked Holmes to describe the shooting range he went to.

There were different areas at the range. Each area was designated for different types of weapons, Holmes said.

Holmes would stay at the shooting range until he ran out of ammunition. The last time Holmes went to the shooting was about a week before the shooting, he said.

Holmes chuckled when he told Reid that he remained a "terrible shot" despite having gone to the range about five times. There was no pleasure in shooting the weapons, Holmes said.

"I was more focused on the task at hand," Holmes said.

The assault rifle was the most difficult weapon to handle. The only gun Holmes fired before going to the range was a paint gun, Holmes said.

Months before the shooting, Holmes went to the store with his friend who was buying a handgun. It was the first time he held a gun.

"It made me nervous," Holmes said.

"Nervous about anything in particular?" Reid asked.

"About the gun going off and someone getting hurt there," Holmes replied.

Reid asked how he felt the first time he shot the weapons.

"I thought you just point and pull the trigger," Holmes said. "It's hard to aim and multitask."

Holmes said he researched how to stand and hold a gun. The first time Holmes shot the shotgun it gave him a bruise.

At the shooting range, Holmes would empty clips.

"I would shoot until the magazine was empty," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes about the magazines found at the theater. Those magazines appeared to be overloaded and jammed.

Holmes said he wasn't surprised the magazines were jammed.

Next Reid asked where Holmes got the money to buy the weapons.

"I had a lot of savings," Holmes said. He also used money from his grants.

Holmes said he chose his body armor because he wanted to be protected in case of a shootout. He specifically selected body armor that would protect him from handgun ammunition.

He tested the armor by wearing it with all the ammunition magazines in place.

"How'd you feel?" Reid said.

"Hot and sweaty," Holmes said.

"What would someone else see?" Reid asked.

"Someone dangerous."

Holmes said he bought the handcuffs because he could use them to lock the double doors at the theater. The road stars were intended to help him if he was involved in a pursuit.

11:55 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes why he picked the theater if he knew the police were nearby.

"I wanted to keep it impersonal," Holmes said.

Holmes said he decided that shooting people was the easiest way to kill people. He didn't have the knowledge needed to create a bomb, he said.

But Reid pointed out that he set up the explosives inside his apartment. Holmes described how he carefully spent days creating some of the devices.

Holmes slept in the apartment with all of the materials inside.

"What did you think about when you were eating?" Reid asked.

"Just what I had to do next," Holmes replied.

Holmes said he watched episodes of South Park while he assembled some of the devices. He did not have time to watch TV the night before the shooting.

When Reid asked Holmes about why he quit playing video games online, Holmes told him the answer was in the records.

"I suddenly attached no importance to Diablo III(the video game)," Holmes said.

Before the shooting, Holmes said he played the video game for up to eight hours a day.

Even as Holmes began building the incendiary devices and the day of the shooting drew near he still went to the gym to exercise at least once a week.

During the weeks before the shooting, Holmes would spend about four hours a day preparing for the shooting, Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to explain his reasons for dropping out of his neuroscience graduate program.

By the time Holmes decided to drop out he was already busy planning the shooting, he said.

"I was busy with putting things together," Holmes said.

"Preparation for the shooting?" Reid asked.

"Ordering stuff for the shooting," Holmes said.

Months before he dropped out of the program, Holmes said he was leaving it "up to fate to decide" whether he quit. There was still the possibility of moving back to California and moving in with his uncle.

Before he developed his "mission," Holmes said he might have started a family, gone into postdoctoral studies or found a good job.

By the spring of 2012, those ideas "just weren't there any more," Holmes said.

"I wasn't looking ahead toward the consequences," Holmes said.

The day Holmes bought the shotgun is the earliest he remembers developing his plan to kill people, he said.

When Holmes was a teenager, he had an abstract thought about killing people. He didn't picture anyone specifically.

"It might have been a response to stress," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to connect how stress led him to thoughts about killing someone.

"Stress is the trigger," Holmes replied. "The stress connects to the killing."

The conversation became tense when Reid pushed Holmes to elaborate on how stress caused him to have homicidal thoughts.

"That's just my coping mechanism," Holmes said.

"That just sounds like psychobabble to me," Reid said.

12:01

Holmes said he would picture hurting people who annoyed him or hurt him. The thought would provide a "kind of resolution," Holmes said.

Holmes would also imagine situations of hurting people who were not doing anything to hurt him.

Reid asked him to describe the things in those thoughts that were wrong.

"It sounds right to me," Holmes said.

The judge then paused the video and released the jury for their lunch break.

The trial is expected to resume around 1:30 p.m.

1:52 p.m.

After the lunch break, the jury was brought back into the courtroom and the video resumed.

"What was your first experience with someone dying?" Reid asked.

"I've never been in close contact with someone dying," Holmes said.

The first memorial service Holmes remembers was his grandmother. Holmes was an undergraduate when she died.

"Had you lost any pets?" Reid asked.

"Natural causes," Holmes said referring to two family dogs that died. "They're very loyal dogs they like to play fetch."

The two dogs were euthanized when Holmes was a child. Holmes does not remember his parents warning him that they were going to put the dogs to sleep.

"I was sad. I climbed a tree and cried," Holmes said.

Holmes never told anyone how he climbed the tree.

"Any other experiences with death? Animals or people?" Reid said.

Holmes said his other grandmother died when he was in high school or college. His mother had visited his grandmother before she got sick.

"I was sad," Holmes said. "I didn't cry."

"How about for the other grandma?" Reid asked.

"I didn't cry for her either," Holmes said.

Reid said it is not unusual for someone to cry when their dog dies and not cry when a grandparent dies.

Holmes described a "dreamless sleep" after death.

Reid asked Holmes if he had any thoughts about the afterlife for his grandmothers or dogs.

"I don't believe in afterlife," Holmes said. "I still believe in the dreamless sleep."

"Think much about your own death?" Reid asked.

"Nope," Holmes said.

When the officers found Holmes behind the theater after the shooting they had their back to him even though he had a gun.

"I didn't shoot them," Holmes said.

Reid asked him why he left the theater.

"Had you finished?" Reid asked.

"I just decided I was done," Holmes said.

Holmes described how his "main weapon" had jammed. If the cops had not arrived Holmes would have driven away, he said.

"I don't know where I would have driven," Holmes said. "I didn't have a plan...I didn't have a plan of whether to die or not."

2:22 p.m.

Reid asked why Holmes didn't have a plan for after the shooting.

"I thought my life would end after the shooting," Holmes said.

Reid asked if he meant literally or figuratively.

Both, Holmes said.

"I would go to jail or I would die. Things would take their own course," Holmes said. "There was the third possibility of getting away but I didn't consider that."

Holmes said he realized "early on" that he wouldn't get away. He posted a status on his Match.com profile, "Will you visit me in prison?"

"I would either die or I would go to prison and die," Holmes said.

"There were things that could have changed the chain of events," Reid said.

Reid asked why Holmes didn't stop himself.

"I had a purposed to fulfill," Holmes said.

But Holmes said before the shooting he hoped someone would have stopped him. It's why he went to the psychiatrist and said he was having "homicidal thoughts."

"I wanted to be fixed. To be normal," Holmes said.

Holmes said he wanted to go to therapy and "get the drugs and be better." The medications helped to lower his anxiety and it was easier to be around people, he said.

"I didn't fear them," Holmes said.

In previous interviews, Holmes has described wanting to avoid people.

"What did the shootings have to do with hating people?" Reid asked,

"Just that they make me anxious. Cause they make me anxious I hate them," Holmes replied.

Reid asked if he was mad at people for making him anxious.

"I wasn't mad at anyone in the theater," Holmes said. "If you kill them then you are not dealing with them. You're avoiding them."

But Holmes said his dislike of people didn't have a lot to do with the killing.

Holmes lists the medication he was prescribed.

"Were there any problems with the medications?" Reid asked.

One of the prescriptions made Holmes tired and he was unable to focus, he said. He quit taking it after about a week, after his doctor instructed him to do so.

Holmes kept all of his appointments with the psychiatrist. During his last appointment he made it clear he wasn't coming back.

"It overruled the treatment," Holmes said.

"Where does such a strong force come from?" Reid asked.

"I don't know. It just took hold of my mind," Holmes said. "I don't know why it dominated. But it did."

Holmes said he eventually became more concerned about going through with the shooting than trying to stop the force taking over his mind.

Reid asked if there was anything about the mission that Holmes knew was wrong.

"I knew it was legally wrong," Holmes said.

Reid asked if there was anything wrong with killing people.

"I just consider them numbers really," Holmes said. "I considered that there was going to be a number of people that died in conglomerate mass."

"As you went into the theater you saw individual people," Reid said.

"I didn't look at them," Holmes said. "I didn't single them out as individual people."

2:36 p.m.

"The people who were in the theater, how do you feel about them now?" Reid asked.

"I don't know them," Holmes said.

But Holmes acknowledged that he would get to know them during the trail.

The day after the shooting Holmes learned the 12 people had died and dozens more were inured. Reid asked him what he thought when he learned that.

"Just that I was worth 12 more," Holmes said. "I only count fatalities."

"What about the wounded?" Reid asked.

"They were collateral damage," Holmes said. "I regret that they had to be wounded."

Holmes said it was "statistical that if you shoot enough bullets into the crowd you're going to hit somebody."

Reid asked Holmes to explain why he felt regret.

Holmes said that the wounded couldn't be avoided.

"Basically I'm shooting blind into the crowd," Holmes said.

Holmes said that his plan was not to intentionally wound people.

"I didn't know a way to make it impersonal and still be able to kill them," Homes said.

Next Reid asked if Holmes considered the loved ones of the people who died.

Holmes said they were also collateral damage.

"There was no way to avoid it," Holmes said.

The victims and their families were not a factor as Holmes was planning, he said.

Reid repeatedly pointed out that Holmes' answers about whether he was aware that others would be hurt didn't make sense. He asked Holmes to explain how he could plan the attack without considering that people were going to be injured and that the victims' loved ones would be affected.

"I don't think you're a cruel guy," Reid said.

"I don't either," Holmes said.

Holmes said he didn't consider any of the "collateral damage" before the shooting. He wouldn't have to deal with them if he was killed.

"Now I have to deal with the consequences," Holmes said.

After the shooting, Holmes asked investigators if a child was hurt. They wouldn't tell him, but the next day he put it together that a child had been killed.

"I tried to minimize child fatalities by choosing midnight," Holmes said. "I was remorseful."

Again, Holmes said he doesn't know how it could have been avoided other than changing the plan. Even if he had know that a child would be killed, Holmes said he would have still carried out his plan.

"You're aware that dozens of children were hurt?" Reid said.

"I'm not aware of that," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes considered whether children are hurt when their parents are killed or injured. He asked if it made Holmes feel anything.

"Not so great," Holmes said. "It wasn't my intention to kill children or leave them parent-less."

Holmes said he only considered the children who were directly hurt. He didn't consider that some of the people who would be killed were parents, he said.

2:51 p.m.

When Holmes is alone in his cell he fells remorse, he said.

Reid then asked Holmes to explain the "values" attached to each of the people he killed. Each person counts as one, Holmes said.

Holmes did not see the people as individuals, but as a human beings that have a value he can take, he said.

"Was it successful?" Reid asked.

"Yes," Holmes said. "I increased my self worth and didn't have to die."

Holmes said his value is at 13.

"I'm worth 13 where a normal person is worth one," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes felt the increased value.

"My worth is a lot more," Holmes said. "I feel better than before."

Holmes couldn't explain what he's better at or what's better about him since the shooting.

"That I didn't have to suicide," Holmes said.

But Holmes has thought about suicide a lot since the shooting, he said. Maybe once a week.

"So is that better, not better or the same?" Reid said.

"My environment's worse so I'd say its about the same," Holmes said.

Holmes said he's "already done the homicidal" which is why he now has suicidal thoughts. He's gone so far as to plan his suicide.

"Have you tried it?" Reid asked.

"Yes and no -- I mean yes," Holmes said.

Holmes described banging his head on the cell wall. He continued to bang his head while he was on suicide watch, he said.

He does not remember the thoughts he was having as he was trying to commit suicide.

Reid describes the video of Holmes falling backwards off his bunk inside his cell. Again, Holmes does not remember what he was thinking at the time.

Officers placed Holmes in solitary confinement after he started banging his head. He didn't have his contacts in and he didn't ask for his glasses.

"I figured there wasn't much to see," Holmes said.

Eventually guards came in and took him to the hospital.

3:21 p.m.

The segment finished playing and Brauchler called Reid to the stand.

Holmes consistently discussed his belief that he can earn a point of value for each person that he killed. Reid said that he struggled to determine if what Holmes was describing was a delusion or not.

"It's vague and abstract. It doesn't give him magical powers or bestow anything on him," Reid said. "It gives him a point. He likes the point."

But it remained unclear to Reid what Holmes gained by collecting points.

Reid said there was some implication that Holmes felt relief after the shooting was over.

"He believed each person he killed would bring him a point that would make him feel better. That was one of the two or three reasons why he was there," Reid said.

Reid said it was clear that Holmes didn't care about what he called "collateral damage"

"What ever regret he had he makes it clear that getting the points killing the people was worth it," Reid said.

Reid said that Holmes' explanations showed that he was willing to trade "peoples' lives in order to feel better."

"Either way you cut it, that's what I find," Holmes said.

Holmes said that it was clear that Holmes had his view of the world and it didn't matter if others believed it.

The devices that Holmes left in his apartment also helped Reid to understand Holmes' mental state around the shooting.

"It appears to me that he was doing it as a way to make his shootings more effective," Reid said. "Whether or not they were destined to work."

Holmes appeared rational in using the devices in planning the attack, specifically because they were designed to draw police away from the theater.

In determining if there is severe mental illness, Reid will try to discover whether people believe they were living under some kind of higher power or external force that was controlling their actions. Holmes never gave Reid any indication that he was being controlled by a "master power."

"The only way I recall that he thought about the future after the shootings is that he wouldn't have to worry about life conflicts," Reid said. "Either he would be dead or in jail or prison."

Reid said that statement speaks to some sort of mental illness and shows how uncomfortable Holmes around other people.

The judge then called a 20 minute break.

3:46 p.m.

After the break, the judge said that one of the jurors passed him a note that she needed to speak with him.

The juror was brought in independently of the rest of the jury.

The juror said someone in the audience did not realize that the she was a juror and spoke with her during lunch. The person in the gallery made a comment about the heat to the juror.

The juror walked away without saying anything. The juror does not know who the person is.

Defense attorneys asked the judge to determine who the person is who spoke to the juror. The juror said the person who spoke to her was sitting on the same side as the media.

The judge asked if anyone in the audience recognized the juror and spoke to her at lunch. The juror was brought back into the courtroom and asked to point out the person who spoke with her.

When the juror was brought back into the courtroom, she said the person was no longer in the courtroom. The judge asked the juror to alert her if she sees the person inside the courtroom again.

4:09 p.m.

All 24 members of the jury were brought back into the courtroom.

Brauchler asked the judges permission to play the next segment of Reid's interview with Holmes. The segment was recorded on Aug. 1, 2014.

The request was granted.

In the video, Holmes is seen entering the interview room. He shakes Reid's hand and sits down. Again, Holmes sips from a cup of juice Reid provide for him.

Reid asked Holmes about a visit with a doctor he had earlier that morning. Holmes said it went well.

"I'm going to ask you a strange thing," Reid said.

Reid asked him if he noticed any differences between the way he was dressed that day compared to the day before. Holmes noticed that Reid had the same bow tie, but was missing his cowboy boots.

Next, Reid tells Holmes that he wants to talk about the notebook. Holmes said that he wrote the notebook in June and July 2012.

Reid asked him why he wrote the notebook.

"To educate the psychiatrist Fenton so something like this wouldn't happen again," Holmes said. "If I died it would kind of tell my story."

The notebook was a way for Holmes to "get it out," he said. Originally, Holmes said the notebook was intended for his psychiatrists.

Reid asked what Holmes thought they would think of it.

"I don't know how they would take it," Holmes said. "I didn't put myself in their shoes."

Holmes said that two years after the shooting the psychiatrist might have found the notebook to be a useful diagnostic tool. They may have also been surprised about the stuff he didn't tell them about but that he wrote in the notebook.

"Do you think Dr. Fenton cared about you?" Reid asked.

"Yes, but not very much," Holmes said.

The sessions they spent together were short, Holmes said. The lasted for 15 minutes when he was scheduled to see her for an hour, he said.

There was not a lot of psychoanalysis, Holmes said. Fenton mostly asked him about how his medications were working.

"I think she was paying attention. Doing her best," Holmes said of Fenton.

The treatment was not entirely effective, Holmes said.

Holmes said he mailed the notebook hours before the shooting.

4:24 p.m.

Holmes said police didn't stop him because he didn't reveal all of his plan.

Next, Reid asked Holmes about the symbol in the notebook. The symbol was also found in Holmes' apartment and in his jail cell.

Holmes said the symbol represents that "any problem can be solved with death."

The symbol is made from a numeral one, the infinity symbol and a circle. It reminds Holmes of a face, he said.

Reid also asked Holmes about equations and notes that he wrote in the notebook. Holmes said the only way to take another person's power is to kill them.

"Do the characteristics of a person matter?" Reid asked.

Holmes said it depends. A millionaire may be worth more than a homeless person. But Holmes said he considers each person to be worth one point. Reid asked Holmes why he came to that conclusion.

"It's just the way I imagined it," Holmes said.

There is no difference between men and women. Holmes said he does not know how many men and how many women were killed in the theater.

Reid also asked about the passages that include Holmes' self-diagnoses.

"Where mostly did you get the diagnoses?" Reid asked.

"Just surfing the web," Holmes said.

Holmes wrote a lot about dysphoric mania in the notebook, but during the interview Holmes said he now thinks that he was depressed and stressed. He also researched Asperger syndrome because he thought he had a social disorder. Holmes also thought he had attention deficit disorder because he couldn't focus his attention.

Reid asks why Holmes thought he had schizophrenia.

"I was paranoid," Holmes said.

He said he saw more police cars than he was used to. He thought maybe police knew what he was planning.

"I don't know how they would have known," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to explain what he means when he says delusional.

"Not based on reality," Holmes said.

Reid suggested that someone who feels guilt may often feel paranoid because they know what they are doing is wrong.

Holmes said he didn't think that applied to him.

4:41 p.m.

Holmes described pulling out his hair in the notebook. He began pulling out his hair in high school and still pulls out his hair today.

As Reid read down a lists of disorders Holmes listed in the notebook he stopped at "pain disorder."

Holmes said he doesn't remember what pain he had that made him think he had a disorder.

"Looking back, what was the realistic applicability of that list of diagnoses to you in May, June, July 2012?" Reid asked.

"They were just thoughts I had," Holmes said.

Reid asked if they were accurate.

"I thought they were accurate at the time," Holmes said.

Holmes said he still thinks he has schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder and anxiety.

Reid asked Holmes to describe what he was experiencing two years before the interview. Holmes described them as "delusions" and "paranoia."

Holmes said he was seeing weird shadows in his peripheral vision. He would notice the shadows while he was working in the lab.

"Nothing I saw that could have caused those shadows to move," Holmes said. "I'd actually see shadows in front of me that were actually dancing."

The shadows looked like they were in the shape of a person. Some of them looked like they were juggling heads.

Reid asked if Holmes tried to interpret the shadows.

"I tried to make sense of it," Holmes said. "I was trying to figure out why it was there."

Holmes said the first time he saw a shadow was during his third lab rotation. Once they started, the shadows remained infrequent -- he saw them about once a week.

After his arrest, Holmes started seeing the shadows two or three times a week.

Holmes said he was "apathetic" toward the shadows. He couldn't figure out what was causing them so he "went with the flow."

"I thought they were shadows," Holmes said.

Holmes described seeing the shadows on the wall of his cell.

"Do they seem particularly interested in you?" Reid asked.

"I don't know how a shadow could be interested in me," Holmes said.

But the shadows could destroy other shadows. Some of them had "shadow" swords, axes and guns, Holmes said.

5:02 p.m.

Sometimes, if Holmes is "particularly bored" he can make the shadows appear, he said. At the time of the interview, Holmes said the shadows appear several times a week.

In 2012, Holmes could not make the shadows appear.

"Where do you think they come from?" Reid said.

"From my own mind," Holmes replied.

Reid asked if the shadows always have weapons. Holmes said that sometimes it's just the shadow's body. Sometimes the bodies break apart, or the shadows spin around.

Reid then asked about writings in Holmes' notebook concerning his genitalia. Holmes said he didn't want to talk about them.

But Reid asked how Holmes perceived his penis and Holmes said he thought it was small. His concerns were related to a self diagnosis of body dysmorphia.

Holmes also declined to talk about an injury he suffered to his genitalia.

On the same page of the notebook, Holmes wrote about his desire to have telepathy. Holmes said the closet he ever got to having telepathy was drawing pictures.

Reid asked about photographs of women Holmes received in the mail. Holmes had the pictures on the wall.

"I haven't received mail from supporters in a year and a half," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes about his fan mail.

"I thought it was very kind of people to send their support," Holmes said.

Some people sent Holmes Bible passages, he said. Others sent cash.

Reid also asked about photographs Holmes has of landscapes and animals. There is also a family photograph hanging in Holmes' cell, he said.

Reid drew Holmes' attention to writings in his notebook where he describes about his obsession to kill since he was a kid.

"Tell me what you remember about that obsession?" Reid asked.

"I don't remember what the obsession was exactly," Holmes said. "I had a strong inner thought of killing people."

"What were those people like?" Reid said.

"No They were just abstract human kind," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes expressed his obsessions with his toys or in drawings.

"No," Holmes said.

Again, Reid asked Holmes about the concept of "hating mankind."

"I didn't like mankind particularly," Holmes said. "Wanting to kill them. There wasn't any hate. Still wanted to kill them."

The video was then paused and the jury was released for the evening.

[Daglord]

James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 23 Parts 1-4)

Jurors in the Aurora movie theater trial on Tuesday will continue watching video recordings of one psychiatrist's interview with the gunman.

Spoiler:

http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting-trial/ci_28234621/aurora-theater-shooting-trial-latest-from-day-23

8:58 a.m.

On Tuesday morning, after attorneys discussed a set of jury instructions, the jury was brought into the courtroom.

Prosecutors continued playing a recorded segment of Reid's interview with Holmes. The interview was held on the morning of Aug. 1, 2014.

Reid asked Holmes about a passage in his notebook where he talked about killing and a hatred of mankind.

"What's the purpose of killing?" Reid asked.

"It just popped up," Holmes replied.

Holmes wrote in his journal that his "mind was broken." Reid asked him why he thought his mind was broken.

"Because I couldn't talk to people," Holmes said.

Holmes said he did not have a fear of death or consequences. He said that he felt he was no longer afraid of those things after he started seeing CU psychiatrist Lynne Fenton.

The medication he was prescribed helped to reduce his fear, Holmes said.

"You were thinking about killing lots of people?" Reid asked. "Do you think you would have eventually done it had you not had the medication?"

"Maybe later on in life," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to explain why he wrote the word "why" for seven pages.

"Don't ask me why I wrote that," Holmes said chuckling.

Holmes said it's not unusual for someone to think about life and death.

"It's something I mulled over for a long time," Holmes said.

"How much did that affect your life?" Reid said.

"Enough that I would put them in the notebook," Holmes replied.

Holmes said he planned for the doctors to see his notebook after the shooting. He never planned to take it to them before the shooting.

9:18 a.m.

Holmes told Reid that he chose mass murder because it was "impersonal" and something he could do. That's why he wanted his targets to be "random."

Reid asked Holmes about the "cruel twists of fate" that he wrote about in the notebook.

"There were thousands of theaters and seats and they happened to be in the wrong one at the wrong time," Holmes said.

Holmes also wrote about mental health professionals he'd seen. Reid asked why it appears he was hiding things from his family.

"I didn't want my family to know that I was sick," Holmes said.

Reid asked why.

"It's bad," Holmes said.

"What would happen?" Reid asked.

"I didn't think that through," Holmes said.

"What does being sick in family mean?" Reid asked.

"That you're a burden," Holmes said. "That he's disliked."

Holmes said he felt "not so great" as he answered Reid's questions.

The notebook also contained writings about Holmes slicing his wrist with a piece of the cardboard in the back of the family van. Holmes wrote that his mother asked him what happened. Her son told her it was a paper cut.

Reid asked why Holmes didn't tell her.

"It's showing weakness again," Holmes said.

"How does your family treat weakness?" Reid asked.

"I guess punish him," Holmes said.

That punishment could have been something like spanking. Holmes said spanking was the main way he was disciplined -- maybe once a month.

One time Holmes' parents took him in the front yard and spanked him with his pants down, he said. He said "misbehavior" prompted the spanking, but he couldn't remember more.

Reid asked if Holmes ever hurt or killed animals or insects.

"One time I lined up a bunch of snails on the street where the bus goes. It made a big slimy track," Holmes said.

He also used a magnifying glass to kill ants. He never hurt other animals, Holmes said.

Moving back to the notebook, Reid asked Holmes about a passage in which he wrote that he was "dedicating his life" to killing others so he could live." Holmes said it related to "transferring his suicidal thoughts into homicidal thoughts."

9:33 a.m.

Reid asked if Holmes killed others because he felt threatened.

Holmes said one of his "reasons for killing" was eliminating others so he could continue living. He felt threatened when he was around other people.

"It wasn't anyone in particular. It was just people," Holmes said.

Again, Reid pushes Holmes to go further. He prompts Holmes with phrases he thinks he might relate to.

"What about it?" Holmes asked.

Reid again asked Holmes to elaborate on his "hatred of mankind."

"I don't see a difference about being around people and an aversion of people," Holmes said.

The answer to that aversion was to kill people, Holmes said. Reid pointed out that Holmes couldn't kill everyone he was adverse to.

"It would be unrealistic to kill everyone in the world," Holmes said.

Reid drew Holmes attention back to photographs he took of himself before the shooting.

"How'd it feel to be a dangerous guy?" Reid asked.

"Isolated and alone," Holmes said. "It's hard to trust people."

Holmes feels that most people are dangerous because he has been dangerous. They want to hurt him -- maybe to "get even."

Reid bounces back to Holmes' relationship with Fenton. Holmes said there was no rapport between them and called the relationship "artificial" because she was getting paid.

"I didn't go out of my way to build rapport," Holmes, referring to a passage in the notebook, he said.

He didn't want to reveal all of his plan, but he didn't want to lie to Fenton. Holmes said he withheld information. He does not consider omitting facts as a "true lie."

Holmes repeatedly asked Fenton, "Are you going to lock me up?" He had a hope that she would stop him, Holmes said.

"She didn't lock me up so that everything could have been avoided," Holmes said.

One alternative to the "mission" was suicide, Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes -- again -- what the benefits of completing the mission were. Again, Holmes struggled to do so.

"That's because it was really abstract in nature," Holmes said.

Holmes said he is the only one keeping track of the points. He was not working under any "master power."

Reid asked Holmes to explain the how much preparation he had done by the time he wrote the last sentence in the notebook. Holmes told him he had bought the guns and was certain of the movie he was going to.

There was no connection between Holmes' mission and the Batman movie, Holmes said.

After they finished talking about the notebook, Reid asked Holmes about the medications he was taking at the time of the interview. One of them made Holmes feel sedentary, he said.

Holmes said he doesn't hear any "unwarranted" noises.

"I don't know how it works," Holmes said.

Before the medications, Holmes said he heard people talking about him.

9:45 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes to describe what he heard before he started taking medications.

"Just people carrying on conversations," Holmes said.

He couldn't describe the conversations.

Holmes heard noises and voices the most around the same time that fell backwards off the bunk in his cell. He also described hearing conversations from other inmates in the jail.

"Do you remember what the words were that were about you?" Reid asked.

"Usually, 'That's where the Joker is,'" Holmes said.

Reid asked how he felt about being called the Joker.

"I don't think it's that bad," Holmes said. "Makes me feel like they kind of turned me into a super villain."

"What's it like to be a super villain?" Reid asked.

"It's not so great when you're stuck in the cell," Holmes said.

Reid asked about the recognition he gets in the jail. Holmes said the recognition wasn't "entirely bad."

"At least I'm remembered as doing something," Holmes said.

"How do you want to be remembered?" Reid asked.

Holmes paused for a long time.

"I don't know if there's a form of remembrance or if it's just a general remembrance," Holmes said.

"For killing someone?" Reid asked.

"That's the way most people are going to remember me," Holmes replied.

Holmes said people might understand.

"Hopefully the notebook will help," Holmes said.

Holmes said he wants people to remember him as a "significant figure." As he was planning the attack, Holmes didn't think about how people would remember him, he said.

10:00 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes to explain why he didn't shoot the officers behind the movie theater.

"Well for one their back was turned," Holmes said.

Holmes said he didn't "intentionally" shoot anyone in the back inside the theater, but he acknowledged it was likely because people were trying to protect themselves.

He said saw two people who were running away.

"I tried shooting at them but I missed," Holmes said.

Reid compared photographs Holmes took of himself to "warrior-like characteristics." Holmes does not consider himself a "warrior" because the people he was shooting at were unarmed, he said.

"I never considered myself a warrior," Holmes said.

But Holmes maintained that he had a mission. The mission came from himself, he said.

Reid asked if Holmes was interested in social media. Holmes told him that he deleted his Facebook account when he was an undergraduate. He's never had a Twitter account or a MySpace account.

Holmes did post photographs of his apartment and the body armor to his Squarespace account. He created the account in June or July of 2012.

"I just did it to show the images," Holmes said. "I don't think anybody visited it."

But Reid pointed out that the the account wasn't private.

"You're getting pretty blatant with the things that you post," Reid said.

Holmes said he did not try to destroy his computer's hard drive because he wasn't afraid of the consequences.

Referencing Holmes' e-mail address and other activities, Reid asked if Holmes sees differences or similarities between himself and Sherlock Holmes or James Bond. Holmes said one difference was that Bond was a "womanizer" and he is not. But Holmes said he was similar to Sherlock Holmes because he likes to solve "scientific mysteries."

"If you had the mission to do over again...would you have done it differently?" Reid asked.

"It went according to plan," Holmes said.

Holmes said he could have killed more people if he had stayed in the theater longer.

Reid asked why he left the theater when he did.

"Just instincts I guess," Holmes said.

10:38 a.m.

After the jury returned from a morning break, prosecutors continued playing the video for the jurors.

The recording showed both Reid and Holmes stepping out of the room to use the restroom.

After the two returned, Reid started asking Holmes questions about one of his friends from graduate school. The woman hosted a birthday party for Holmes' girlfriend.

Reid asked Holmes what he thinks his friends will tell Reid when he speaks with them.

Holmes said thinks they will say that he was "smart" and "friendly." He never told his friends about his plan.

"Do you think their views of you have changed?" Reid asked.

"Yes," Holmes said. "Now we don't associate with each other anymore."

But Holmes said he was not sure if the shooting affected his friends' feelings toward him. Again, he said that he thinks his friends would be sympathetic.

Holmes explains that he thinks his friends have not written him because he broke off contact with them before the shooting.

"I think they're probably holding back," Holmes said. "Because they don't want to continue on with the friendships."

Reid asked Holmes if he had any enemies before the shooting. Holmes told him he did not.

Holmes had an IRA on E-Trade because he was saving for retirement he said. In the end of 2011 or early 2012, Holmes said he put $5,000 into the IRA. He invested in stocks, particularly Coca-Cola.

A search of Holmes' hard drive showed that he would check stock prices and was checking out real estate websites. If he would have stayed in the program he would have bought a house.

Holmes also played video games and watched Hulu and Netflix on his computer.

"Comedies are my favorite," Holmes said.

10:53 a.m.

Next Reid asks Holmes about the movie "Inception."

Holmes quickly pointed out that the director of that movie also directed the Batman movie.

"It's a hard movie to explain," Holmes said.

He talked about how the movie involved thoughts being placed into peoples' brains. But Holmes said he does not remember anytime before the shooting when he felt like someone was putting thoughts in his brain.

Just before Holmes fell backwards off of his bunk, he said he would see the President on TV. Holmes said the President would give a look and he thought that he was looking at him.

Looking back at the thoughts, Holmes called them "ridiculous."

Holmes said he likes to watch sitcoms at the jail, but he doesn't care to watch the news. At times he would see news reports about himself pop up and he would watch them, he said.

Reid then moves onto Holmes' cell phone. He asks him about searches he did on his phone on how to post an opinion on The New York Time's website.

"What might you have posted?" Reid asked.

"The photographs of me in the contact lenses and armor and stuff," Holmes said.

Holmes said he thought that people would re-post the pictures and people would think that "This guys is different from other people."

"What would they be likely to infer from it?" Reid asked.

"I didn't think about it," Holmes said.

Holmes said the photographs would show people that he was "mentally different." That he had a "different view of the world" and that "you can increase your value by killing people."

"Was that a logical thing to do?" Reid asked.

"I thought it was logical," Holmes said.

11:17 a.m.

"You asked Dr. Fenton about her philosophy on life?" Reid asked.

"She was evasive," Holmes replied.

When Reid asked what Holmes thinks Fenton will say about him, Holmes said that there "was a lot they didn't know."

Before the shooting, Holmes said video games made him happy and he found comfort in food.

Next, Reid asked Holmes about his parents. Homes said that his father was retired and his mother as working as a nurse.

After that, Reid and Holmes stopped for a lunch break.

The video was turned off in the courtroom and 18th Judicial District Attorney George Brauchler called Reid to the stand.

First he asked Reid about his questions concerning Holmes' notebook.

"Those were things that he wrote himself, his own productions within the last month or two prior to the shooting," Reid said.

Reid likened the notebook to a conversation Holmes may have had right before the shooting.

"He certainly wrote them down for some reason," Reid said.

Some passages seemed to concern what Holmes was feeling and other sections had to do with planning. Reid said it was important to note that notebook appeared to be dedicated to his family.

Holmes' use of the word "paranoia" was attached to concerns that he wrote about himself. Those concerns resemble someone who wants to be stopped, Reid said.

But Holmes also did things that show he was not concerned about getting caught, such as leaving his hard drive in the apartment. Brauchler pointed out that the hard drive was left in the apartment filled with explosives.

During the past segment, Holmes declined to discuss concerns that he wrote down about his genitals. Brauchler asked Reid if that was relevant.

Reid said it is not uncommon for people to be hesitant to discuss such things.

Holmes also described shadows that he he said he saw. Reid said he asked a lot of questions concerning the shadows to help determine any mental illness he may have had.

It was also important to determine how Holmes described the shadows. Holmes never described them as shadows in the notebook -- he calls the "flickerings."

Reid said mental health professionals who saw Holmes before the shooting did not note that Holmes was seeing shadows or flickerings.

The only time Holmes described the shadows as carrying weapons was during his interview with Reid. It was unusual that Holmes said he could summon the shadows, he said.

"It's also interesting to me that he's not distressed by it," Reid said.

The line of questions Reid asked Holmes about hearing voices was important because that can be a sign of severe mental illness, he said. Reid found no evidence that Holmes was hearing voices around the time of the shooting.

11:35 a.m.

Reid said Holmes distinction that withholding information from someone is not a "true lie" was important.

But as he was explaining its importance, defense attorney Dan King objected to the testimony and the attorneys had a lengthy bench conference with the judge.

Brauchler spoke to Reid at the witness stand before the white noise inside the courtroom was turned off.

The judge said King's objection was sustained.

Brauchler asked whether Holmes' ability to withhold information helped in his determination of whether Holmes was sane. Reid said that it did.

He also said Holmes' comments about his desire to be remember was significant because they speak to the way that he is thinking at the time.

Holmes' attempt to learn how to post photographs to media websites appeared to be "rational conduct" by Holmes. Reid is "always thinking about" whether someone is rationally thinking.

Reid said Holmes did a great deal of rational thinking before the shooting.

12:04 p.m.

Brauchler handed Reid two more DVDs. Reid confirmed they were recordings of his interview with Holmes in August 2014.

The judge admitted the DVDs as evidence and said they may be played for the jury.

The recording was a continuation of Reid's interview with Holmes on Aug. 1, 2014. The video shows the two returning from their lunch breaks.

Reid asked Holmes how is lunch was.

"It was tasty," Holmes said.

Holmes also met with a different doctor during that break, he said.

Reid asked Holmes about whether what he does when he is living affects what happens when he dies. Holmes said it didn't.

He also said that if someone killed him, they would not get his additional points. Holmes mentioned the possibility of being executed.

"Since I've been in jail it hasn't looked that bad of a possibility," Holmes said.

Holmes said that being executed and being sentenced to life in prison would be equal punishments.

Reid asked Holmes what he thinks his chances of getting the death penalty are.

Holmes hadn't "predicted it." He would ask his lawyers to "fight it" because his family still supports him.

"I think it would matter if I died to them," Holmes said.

Holmes told Reid that he does not know if he has been diagnosed with a mental illness. He only speculates, based on the medications he described, that he has depression and schizophrenia.

Reid asked Holmes what he thinks "psychotic" means.

"Having beliefs that don't match up with reality," Holmes replied.

About a month after Holmes was arrested a doctor came to see him in the jail. One of Holmes' attorneys told him that the doctor was there to see him at their request.

"I was distrustful of psychiatrists at the time," Holmes said.

Reid told Holmes that he wants him to go through his "mission" chronologically.

The night of the shooting, Holmes was thinking "basically just do it."

"I wasn't very nervous. I was prepared," Holmes said. Holmes had no doubt that he would kill a lot of people, he said.

The drive to the theater was "dangerous" because he had tinted the windows of his car, Holmes said. He wanted the windows to be dark so he could "gear up" inside the car without people seeing him.

Holmes said he stored his gear in the trunk of his car.

The drive to the theater "went smoothly," Holmes said. He parked behind Theater 9.

Holmes had previously purchased his movie ticket and when he entered the theater he went to a kiosk to get his ticket. All of his tickets were for Theater 8, but he walked in Theater 9 after he went to the concession stand.

Inside the theater, Holmes sat down in the very front. He pulled out his phone to make it look like he had a phone call and he walked out the exit. Holmes looked back into the stands and saw that they were all full, he said.

Behind the theater, Holmes put on his gear inside his car. He'd previously loaded all the ammunition magazines.

"Any particular thoughts?" Reid asked.

"I put my music on," Holmes said.

Holmes watched an employee come out to the trash bins and throw something away. Holmes watched them from inside his car. He worried that the employee would "interrupt the process."

He was prepared to use his handgun to make sure that didn't happen, Holmes said. The employee walked back into the theater.

Reid asked Holmes how he felt.

"Calm and collected," Holmes said.

The judge paused the video and released the jury for their lunch break.

1:51 p.m.

After the lunch break the jury was brought back into the courtroom. Prosecutors continued playing the recording for the jury.

Reid is heard asking when Holmes called the mental health hotline at the hospital. Holmes said he didn't hear anyone on the other line.

"What led you to make that call?" Reid asked.

"Just one last chance to see if I should turn back or not," Holmes replied

He had saved the number in his phone and he dialed the number from his car behind the theater. Holmes said he looked up the number for the hotline during the week leading up to the shooting.

Holmes had never dialed the number before. When he dialed the number he didn't hear the phone ring at the other end.

"I didn't hear anything for nine seconds and then I hung up," Holmes said. He later said he didn't know if he hung up or was disconnected.

"What do you think would have happened if someone would have answered?" Reid asked.

"I might have talked to them," Holmes said. "Told them the situation."

The people on the other line would have tried to convince Holmes not to carry out the shooting, he said. They would not have been successful, Holmes said. They would have been "overruled."

When no one answered Holmes thought the FBI would stop him, he said.

Reid asked what Holmes thought after he hung up.

"Just that it's really going to happen," Holmes said.

When Holmes was in the car there was still a chance the shooting might not have happened, Holmes said. Even as he put on the gear Holmes was "skeptical" he would carry out the attack.

But after Holmes hung up the phone he got out of his car and walked toward the theater. It took him a couple of minutes to walk back into the theater. He could see inside the theater through a crack.

"What were you waiting for?" Reid asked.

"I don't know why I waited," Holmes replied.

He dropped one of the tear gas canisters as he got out of the car.

2:04 p.m.

When he walked back into the theater, the rifle was in Holmes' hands, the shotgun slung over his shoulder and the handgun was in a holster.

He left his second handgun in the car because it was too much weight, he said.

Holmes opened the tear gas canister outside the door. He then tossed it into the audience.

"How'd it fee to be really doing it?" Reid asked.

"Then it was auto pilot," Holmes replied.

He saw people trying to leave and hiding under their seats, but he wasn't aware of details around him, he said.

Holmes couldn't see very well because of scratches on the lens of the gas mask and the light behind him.

He raised the shotgun when he saw people getting up in the back left corner of the theater. He shot in their direction.

"I don't remember any other shots with the shotgun," Holmes said.

Holmes heard a scream but he doesn't know if he hit anyone. He shot all six shotgun shells.

He threw the shotgun down and switched to the rifle. He only remembers the three shots he fired at two people who were running away. He doesn't remember the rest.

Holmes told Reid that he "can't have everybody running away" because it would cause him to lose control of the situation. He watched as people carried someone out the door he walked in.

There was a scope on Holmes' rifle, but he didn't use it. Instead he shot randomly, he said. The man he saw being carried out was someone he shot at specifically.

Holmes couldn't see who else was hit. He only saw one man "flop" when he was hit, but Holmes didn't see anyone else fall after being hit.

"They got down behind the seats pretty fast," Holmes said.

Reid asked about the sounds inside the theater.

"I had my music," Holmes said. "I don't remember hearing the gunshots."

2:28 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes if he experienced any other smells, noises or sensations inside the theater.

Holmes said he didn't.

Reid asked how Holmes moved through the theater. Holmes tells Reid there is not an exit in the back of the theater. Several survivors ran out that exit.

Holmes walked toward one of the hallways that led into the theater from the lobby. He needed the light and it was a safer spot to reload his gun.

"I was checking the weapon," Holmes said.

His rifle had misfired and he couldn't get a new magazine to load properly. Holmes said he thinks he shot some people with the hand gun.

He learned after the shooting from his lawyers that he used the handgun.

Holmes said he only fired from the corner. He didn't walk into the seats or up into the stadium seating, he said.

"What else happened in there?" Reid said.

"There wasn't anything else," Holmes said.

Holmes had practiced inserting the ammunition magazines into the rifle. It was too dark in the theater for him to load the gun properly, he said.

Reid asked about the magazines, specifically that they shouldn't be completely filled. Holmes said he didn't know that.

As he was walking out, Holmes turned and looked back at the stands.

"They were completely empty," Holmes said. But he knew that people were still ducking behind their seats.

Reid asked how people felt inside theater.

"Terror," Holmes replied. "Being very afraid and unbelieving that could be happening."

Reid then asked how people felt when someone near them was shot.

"That there needs to be help coming," Holmes said.

Then he asked how people who have been shot feel.

"Shock," Holmes said. "Reaching out for help."

"What did they hear?" Reid asked.

"Yelling and screaming," Holmes said. "I think the fire alarm went off."

The movie continued to play the whole time Holmes was inside the theater, he said.

Holmes said he can't imagine himself firing the gun. But he can picture himself standing in the corner of the movie theater.

When Reid pushes Holmes to imagine firing the guns, Holmes said he sees "bullets going toward seats." He doesn't see the people hiding behind the seats.

Holmes assumed that the bullets went through the seats and hit people. He guessed that only four or five people were "hit directly." The rest were hiding, he said.

In planning the attack, Holmes imagined that people would be killed sitting in their seats. He intentionally left an exit path available across the theater so they wouldn't attack him. Holmes tried to shoot the people who used the exit path.

"I didn't create a killing chute," Holmes replied when Reid asked him to explain why he left the path open.

Holmes said he wasn't trying to shoot people in the Theater 8.

Holmes picked the theater in part because he didn't expect his friends to be inside.

Immediately after the shooting, Holmes guessed that he "hit maybe 20 people and killed maybe three people." It wasn't until he heard a call on a police radio that he was certain people had died.

2:48 p.m.

Holmes remembers looking back into the theater and seeing a man in the front row smiling. Holmes thought it was a nervous or anxious smile.

"I thought it was kind of odd," Holmes said.

When he walked out of the theater, Holmes decided that he was "done shooting."

As Holmes walked toward his car behind the theater, Holmes saw to officers. He opened the car door and watched.

After he took off his belt, Holmes placed a handgun on top of his car. Officers told him to put his hands up.

"They wouldn't shoot me because I was surrendering," Holmes said.

Holmes took his gloves off and he got down on the ground.

Next Reid asked Holmes about what affects he thinks the shooting had on the community.

"I think it made the community more tightly knit," Holmes said.

The community was not a factor in Holmes' planning, he said.

"I don't think people are going to remember me for any other reason," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes if, at the time of the shooting, it was important that he be remembered. But Holmes said he didn't remember thinking about it in 2012.

"Is it important to be remembered?" Holmes said.

"I'd say yes," Holmes said.

Holmes said being remembered was not one of his reasons for committing the shooting. It was one of the reasons why he took the photographs and researched how to post them.

If someone had asked Holmes how he wanted to be remembered in 2012, he would have told them "as a good person" and as successful in his career, Holmes said. After the shooting, Holmes said he would be remembered as being "mentally ill" and "being successful with the mission."

The shooting was a "moderate" success, Holmes said. The shooting was only going to be a success if he killed three or more people, Holmes said.

All of the wounded only count as "collateral damage," he said. The pain he would cause for loved ones never "came into consideration," Holmes said.

Looking back at the shooting and the wounded and families of the victims, Holmes said he would have tried to select a method that didn't have "collateral damage."

But a plan like that would have taken more time and resources than the shooting at the theater, Holmes said. Any other method would have been too personal, Holmes said.

"I can't do that for whatever reason," Holmes said.

Holmes said he wasn't "executing individuals" inside the theater. Instead he was "aiming into the crowd."

The fact that Holmes was arrested prevents him from killing other people, he said.

2:57 p.m.

Holmes said that being locked in jail is a result of completing his mission.

"What was it like being arrested?" Reid asked.

"It was everything I expected it would be," Holmes said.

Reid pushed harder.

"What was your personal experience with being arrested?" Reid asked.

"I didn't have any feelings about it," Holmes replied.

"Try again," Reid pushed.

"I just kind of felt that was something that was going to be done," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes was unable to express his feelings about being arrested or if he was not sharing his feelings. Holmes said he wasn't hiding anything. He asked Reid to clarify when he considered the arrest to begin.

The handcuffs were tight around Holmes' wrists, he said.

"You kind of have to submit to their authority," Holmes said. "That's about it."

Holmes said he was used to submitting to others' authority, such as his professors and advisers.

There was only one officer in the car that took Holmes to the police station. At the station, officers took Holmes' fingerprints and photograph.

Before they took the photographs and fingerprints officers took Holmes to an interrogation room.

"They left me there for hours and hours and hours," Holmes said.

He described the bags that were placed on his hands to maintain evidence.

"I thought they looked like popcorn bags," Holmes said. "That they were going to microwave my hands or something."

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James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 24 Parts 1-4)

After a short day in court on Tuesday, jurors in the Aurora theater shooting trial will return on Wednesday to watch more recordings of the gunman's interview with a psychiatrist. For the first time since the July 20, 2012 shooting the public heard James Holmes' account of what happened inside Theater 9. The jury was shown a segment of a recorded interview Holmes had with Dr. William Reid in the summer of 2014.

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9:26 a.m.

Prosecutors continued playing the video of Reid interviewing Holmes. He was describing what it was like at the police station after the shooting.

"What's the feeling you're having?" Reid asked.

"What's going to happen next," Holmes said.

Reid asked for more.

"Just the feeling that it's finished," Holmes said.

Officers took Holmes to the Arapahoe County jail on Friday morning. He had been in the interrogation room for most of the night before. At the jail he was given food and placed in a cell with a toilet.

Reid asked what it was like to go to court for the first time.

Holmes said he doesn't remember much about his first court appearance. He describes walking through the tunnel that connects the jail with the courthouse.

Reid asked him about being inside the courtroom.

"I don't remember anything," Holmes said.

He described sitting in the jury box, not having to do anything. Next, Holmes described a recent court hearing during which attorneys were discussing expert witnesses that may be called during the trial. He remembers that they were firearms experts.

But Reid pushed Holmes to describe his first court appearance.

"I wished it would go faster than it was going," Holmes said.

Next Reid asked Holmes about the different doctors that came to see him in the jail. The first doctor asked Holmes about side effects from medications.

Reid also asked Holmes about why almost no one talks to him at the jail.

Holmes said people might be willing to talk at the jail but don't. He said that at the hospital in Pueblo people talk to him too much.

Reid then asked about the burnt $20 bills he sent with the notebook.

"I figured I wouldn't have any use for money afterwords," Holmes said.

A few days before the shooting, Holmes rode his bike to an ATM and pulled out the cash. Reid asked what Dr. Lynne Fenton would think about the money.

Holmes said one of the reasons he didn't stay with Fenton was because his insurance would not cover his sessions with her after he dropped out of of his graduate program.

"Money was a factor with me not continuing the therapy," Holmes said.

He said the burnt money was a way of showing her why he dropped out of therapy. It was a way to show "that money was an issue" for "the shooting," he said.

Reid pushed Holmes to explain.

"If I stayed and got further treatment I might have not done the shooting," Holmes said. But he also admits that the money he burned could have been used to pay for sessions with Fenton.

Reid asked Holmes why he didn't accept the doctors' offer to find a way to continue his therapy. Holmes said it didn't matter because eventually he wouldn't be able to fill his prescriptions.

"You stopped. You decided to stop seeing her, and left at that point," Read said. "Right?"

"Yeah," Holmes said.

Reid then asked Holmes if his attorneys told him to say anything to Reid.

"No. They said be yourself," Holmes said. He said he didn't have anything that he would "like" to share with Reid.

Holmes laughed when Reid promised that his questions wouldn't interfere with Holmes dinner.

Next Reid asks Holmes to elaborate on why he had difficulty sleeping.

In response to Reid's questions, Holmes said that he went on spending sprees while buying the weapons. Reid also asked why Holmes wrote in the notebook that he had PTSD if he couldn't' remember a specific event. Holmes said he doesn't think he has PTSD

Holmes also answered Reid's questions about how often he thinks about the shooting. He said he thinks about the shooting when he is in court and in jail because it reminds him of the shooting.

Thoughts about the shooting can be "intrusive," Holmes said.

"It's kind of a distracting effect," Holmes said. "It distracts me from sitting alone in my cell."

Reid asked if that is a good effect.

"It does pass the time but I wouldn't say it's a positive," Holmes said.

He said he doesn't want the thoughts to come up.

"What do they make you feel?" Reid asked.

"I don't know," Holmes said. "I guess they don't' make me feel anything."

The thoughts are never vivid enough that Holmes can hear, feel or see what was happening.

Next, Reid asked Holmes about his medical history.

9:51 a.m.

While he was planning the shooting Holmes said ate a lot of frozen pizzas, rice and other meals. He also ate mixed vegetables.

He liked doughnuts and ate about one a day, he said.

Holmes tried smoking but he didn't like it. He said his caffeine intake was "low compared to people these days." He didn't drink energy drinks. He drank a couple glasses of soda a day he said.

He also took a daily vitamin.

Next Reid told Holmes that they were getting ready to wrap up. Holmes said he didn't have any questions for Reid.

"We talked about a lot of stuff," Holmes said.

Reid told Holmes what he tells everyone he works with.

"I hope that what ever happens is fair."

The video stopped playing and Reid was called to the stand to answer Brauchler's questions.

Reid said the act of sending the burnt $20 bills was important because Holmes memory of why he did it was not clear. It was consistent with irrational thought.

"It was odd," Reid said.

Holmes' diet during the time of the shooting -- which appeared balanced -- was behavior different from other people who Reid has worked with who "let themselves go" before committing a crime.

Reid again describes the significance of Holmes' explanation of the value units he obtained from killing others.

Holmes' arbitrary explanation of the value suggests to Reid that Holmes did not believe he was being controlled by a higher power.

During the interview Reid asked Holmes if he had any doubt that he would kill a lot of people. Holmes said he did. That answer was important for Reid's analysis.

Pretending to get a cell phone call and walking out of the theater was an example of Holmes' rational thinking and planning, Reid said. He knew that pretending to get a call would make it easier to carry out the "mission," Reid said.

Next Reid described Holmes' memory of being willing to shoot an employee taking out the garbage behind the theater minutes before the shooting.

"That is a rational way of carrying out the crime. It is a rational way of thinking. It's personal," Reid said.

The call Holmes made to the hospital switch board showed there was a part of Holmes that wanted to be stopped, but there was a "larger part of him" that didn't want to be stopped, Reid said.

"He's aware that what he's doing is a bad thing," Reid said.

Reid said there is nothing to indicate that Holmes was not in control of his decision making at the time of the shooting.

The records suggest to Reid that Holmes was not suffering a mental breakdown.

"All of it was rational to his purpose," Reid said. "There was organization to what he did."

People suffering a mental break down are typically disorganized in their thinking, Reid said.

Brauchler asked if Reid changed his technique in questioning Holmes about his value system.

Reid said he became more assertive with Holmes because he wanted to see how Holmes would handle it. He wanted to see if Holmes would become rattled or confused, which might have suggested that he was "fragmented."

But Holmes appeared to keep up with the questions and didn't become upset or confused.

10:16 a.m.

Reid interviewed Holmes again on Aug. 27, 2014. He met with Holmes at the Arapahoe County jail after he decided he needed to ask him some follow-up questions.

Holmes is shown in the video wearing red scrubs. Reid told him that he was not allowed to bring Holmes any juice -- he was allowed to do at the hospital in Pueblo.

Again, Reid notes the size of Holmes' pupils. The appeared smaller to him than they had during previous interviews.

"Do you know what the date is today, James?" Reid asked.

"The 27th," Holmes answered.

Reid asked Holmes how he kept track of the time inside the jail. Holmes told him that Wednesday was laundry day. He also uses TV shows to track the days.

He's not allowed to have a calendar or clock.

"How else do you keep track of time?" Reid asked.

The meal times are consistent, Holmes said. He goes to bed late and guards wake him up early for breakfast.

From the window in the door of Holmes' cell he can see the guard tower and lights. Reid told Holmes that the lights outside Holmes' cell is bright enough that he can see him sleeping in videos.

Holmes' described the interview in Pueblo as "thorough." When Holmes left the hospital in Pueblo he knew that the food would not be as good when he got back to the jail.

He said he did not miss the increased interaction he had with people at the hospital.

"I don't like forced conversation," Holmes said.

After Holmes was brought back to the jail, a defense expert met with Holmes for six hours, he said. He said he got along with the doctor well.

Reid told Holmes that the staff at the hospital told him that Holmes could recite the alphabet backwards. Holmes recited the alphabet backwards for Reid.

He taught himself to do it during a long car ride before he was arrested. Holmes also learned how to juggle before he was arrested.

Reid told Holmes that he found a resume he had written several years before. He asked what jobs Holmes was searching for around the time he graduated from undergraduate studies in 2010.

He was looking for lab research or technician positions. Holmes said he planned to get a job between his graduation and when he started a graduate program.

Holmes applied to several schools and was invited to interview at the University of Illinois. He came across as shy during the interview, Holmes said.

Next Reid asked Holmes about notes he wrote in the jail.

"You wrote a lot of philosophical stuff," Reid said.

"I felt it was important to write it down," Holmes said.

Holmes said that he wrote the notes before he fell off his bunk. The only thing he's written since is a poem.

Reid asked Holmes about his impulse to write.

"I just thought they were important ideas," Holmes said.

Next Reid asked Holmes about a fellow graduate student in Holmes 'program. The student helped Holmes learn procedures in the lab. Holmes described him as a "co-worker."

10:54 a.m.

After a morning break, prosecutors continued playing Reid's interview with Holmes on Aug. 27.

Holmes continued describing a fellow graduate student who he worked with during one of his lab rotations.

Next, Reid asked Holmes about his professor, Mark Dell'Acqua. He tells Holmes that other people have said Dell'Acqua was not well liked.

"I can see that being valid," Holmes said.

Reid then asked Holmes to explain what was going on in May 2012 when he should have been studying for his final exams.

"I didn't study for them," Holmes said.

He said he didn't know what to study for because professors had not provided him much direction. Holmes assumed that others were studying for the exams.

"I guess that was unusual for me because I usually study for tests," Holmes said.

Before the final exams, Holmes estimated that he spent about five hours per week studying for his program. He assumed that his peers were spending roughly the same amount of time studying.

Holmes then explained to Reid that he also spent several hours a day working in the lab.

But as his finals approached, Holmes spent almost no time preparing form.

"I felt since there wasn't any direction given for what I should study for that I wouldn't study at all," Holmes said.

When he asked his advisor for direction he was told to "study everything," Holmes said. He was also focused on his mission at the same time.

He spent 25 percent of his time preparing for his mission and 75 percent of his time not studying for his finals. Eventually that ratio flipped.

"I didn't really care if I passed or failed," Holmes said.

11:06 a.m.

Holmes remembers the day he gave his final presentation to a panel of three professors.

They asked him complicated questions, which Holmes could recite, in a casual way, he said.

"How did you feel as they were asking you questions?" Reid asked.

"That I wasn't answering the problem correctly," Holmes said

Reid asked Holmes why he didn't care about how he preformed on the exam.

By the time the exam was happening, Holmes was well into planning his mission, he said. When Holmes bought his shotgun months before his plan had become clear, he said.

"I thought it would look conspicuous if I dropped out," Holmes said.

He said performing poorly on his exam was a reason to drop out. If he had dropped out of the program sooner it would have raised red flags, Holmes said.

Still, Holmes said he tried to answer the questions he was asked during his final presentation.

"By the end of that hour were you certain that you failed?" Reid asked.

"I was pretty certain that I failed," Holmes said.

When Reid asked Holmes if failing mattered to Holmes, he told Reid that it only "facilitated the mission."

Holmes said that he felt he could have passed the exam had he studied for it. He regretted not passing the exam for "pride reasons."

During his final presentation, Holmes said he was on "auto pilot." Reid asked if some of the images Holmes had described seeing in earlier interviews came to him during his presentation.

"No because I was focused on answering the question," Holmes said.

11:31 a.m.

Next Reid asked Holmes about writings he did in his jail cell before he was taken to a Denver hospital in November 2012.

Holmes wrote about galactic colonization and how without it the human race will die off. He got the idea from things he read and from thoughts in his own head, he said.

Holmes said he wrote the passage about a month after his arrest. The officers at the jail knew Holmes was writing, he didn't try to hide it.

Reid then read from one of Holmes' writing having to do with "finite" and "live or die."

"Death is infinity," Holmes said. Holmes asked to see the page of writing before he answered Reid's next question.

He said he was speculating that before you live there is a "before life" similar to what happens after death.

"It ultimately didn't matter what you did in life because it goes back to the before and after," Holmes said.

The after life is a "dreamless sleep," Holmes said. He has used the phrase before.

Reid read from one of Holmes' writings.

"How can one contribute meaning to life when such ideals exist in non-existence," Reid read.

"I don't know what that means," Holmes said.

Holmes explained other passages that Reid read. He said when someone is in a "dreamless sleep" they are in a "perfect state."

Next Reid asked Holmes to explain his writing about the symbol he used in the notebook and on the calendar.

Holmes said it is a "solution for all problems and that can be achieved through death," Holmes said. "Any perspective you can take is going to encompass everything."

Reid continued reading from the passage.

"It's like God a little bit. Because God is everything," Holmes said.

Holmes said the only reading that he thinks comes close to explaining his theory is the Bible. He also agreed with Reid that the study of quantum physics had similarities.

Holmes' next writing had to do with awareness.

"One can be alive and not aware," Reid read from the passage. "Can one be aware and not alive?"

Holmes said he has not answered that questions. In answering Reid's question, Holmes said it's a question that death might answer for him.

"Is it a reason to die?" Holmes asked.

"No," Holmes said. "I kind of figure they'll come."

Reid asked if the question was answered for the people Holmes killed. Holmes said it wasn't a reason.

Holmes said people shouldn't mind being killed because they will be going to a "peaceful state" and the will avoid all fo the "conflicts and struggles" of life.

In 2012, Holmes didn't consider whether people would mind being killed. He was focused on increasing his own "value." He agreed that he was indifferent to their needs and wants.

"I never considered it from their point of view," Holmes said.

Holmes said they should not have minded being shot because it "doesn't matter what you do in life because you're going to die anyway."

But Reid points out that Holmes' mission mattered to him.

"Would what they want matter to you on July 19?" Reid asked.

"Yes, because I have empathy for them," Holmes said.

Holmes said he should have asked himself whether being shot mattered to others before the shooting. Had he asked the question he may not have been able to carry out the shooting, he said.

11:49 a.m.

Holmes also wrote about the notion of being immortal.

Reid asked if existing forever was a good or a bad thing.

"I don't know," Holmes said.

Reid then asked Holmes about the next page of writings that he found confusing. The passage talks about reincarnation and the loss of awareness. The next page talks about the conceivable, the inconceivable and paradox.

"Death is the philosopher's stone," Holmes said.

Holmes explained that violence and killing happens when a problem cannot be solved. Killing would get Holmes out of his depression and make himself "more valuable," Holmes said.

Reid again asked Holmes to explain his value system.

"It's like the value of the dollar," Holmes explained. "If you attribute value to killing people you become more valuable if you do."

Holmes also said it's possible that others may also see him as more valuable.

Reid asked who.

"Maybe the justice system," Holmes said. "The justice system wants to obliterate it and get it back to zero."

"How?" Reid said.

"By killing me."

Again, Holmes is unclear on how his "value" would be distributed when he dies. He said he would want to be worth one. If someone who believed Holmes is more valuable kills him, that person would get to decide if he was worth one or 13, he said.

Holmes called the system "arbitrary" and said that someone could invent their value system independently of him.

"People can believe whatever they want," Holmes said.

Reid asked if someone believing in the system make it real.

"Well yeah, because beliefs are real," Holmes said.

Holmes said that if he died the value system would still exist because he's written it down in the notebook.

12:05 p.m.

Holmes also wrote notes in his jail cell about freedom and morality.

In his writings about morality Holmes wrote about, "Those who are wrong. Those who are wrongers."

Holmes explained that there is a balancing act between those who are wronged and those who wronged them.

"What would be a wrong in morality for you?" Reid asked.

"Breaking the law," Holmes said.

Reid asked what Holmes would have considered as "a wrong" in June and July of 2012. Holmes said he didn't know.

Holmes said he is being treated as a "wronger" because he is being punished with "having no freedoms."

"Are you a wronger?" Reid asked.

"I would say no," Holmes said.

Reid asked him to explain, but Holmes said he didn't know how. He asked if Holmes thinks he didn't commit a wrong.

"Now I believe I did," Holmes said.

When Reid asked Holmes to explain why others think he is a wronger and he believes that he is not a wronger.

"That's what I believe," Holmes said.

Holmes said that it was "only one event" and he did not commit any other wrongs in his life. The same principle would apply to someone who robbed a bank one time, Holmes said.

Reid asked if the punishment system is wrong itself.

"It's better to have a corrective system than a punishment system," Holmes said.

"You're not a wronger because you say you're not a wronger?" Reid asked.

"Right," Holmes said.

Next Reid asked if there are different levels of a wrong. Holmes interjects with "how many?"

"The magnitude matters," Holmes said.

The judge paused the video and released the jury for a lunch break.

1:31 p.m.

After the lunch break prosecutors continued playing the recording of Reid's interview with Holmes.

In response to Reid's questions, Holmes said he would "probably want vengeance" if someone hurt him while trying to kill him. But that wouldn't necessarily make him a "wronger."

Reid asked Holmes about one of his notes in which he writes about forgiveness.

"What does forgiveness do?" Reid asked.

"It reestablishes the balance of justice," Holmes said.

Next, Reid asks Holmes about a page titled, "The Destruction Law."

Holmes describes it as the opposite of "societal law." The population is decreased in an effort to destroy everything and eliminate mankind.

"Every two people you kill you're allowed to have one child," Holmes said. "It increases the people to be destructive."

He said it was an alternative to a nuclear winter.

"The positive is that it eliminates mankind," Holmes said.

"There is no purpose or reason for mankind to exist," Holmes went on to say. "The problem of not having a purpose is solved."

Reid asked what kind of problems mankind create. Holmes listed famine, disease and war.

Holmes went on to say that it is human nature to fall back to war when there is "no solution."

"It doesn't sound like you're talking about this as something you do in anger," Reid said.

"There's no anger to it," Holmes said.

Still, Reid pushed Holmes to explain his "aversion" to mankind and the "destroying of mankind."

"Destroying doesn't come out of the hatred," Holmes said.

Again, Reid asked Holmes to explain if there is any connection between the two. Holmes said that because he is adverse to mankind and doesn't want to deal with people he found one way to deal with them was to destroy them.

1:47 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes if it was fair to call his motivation as selfish. He said they were selfish.

Next, he asks Holmes about his dilated pupils. Holmes wrote about his pupils in the notebook, he's said that he's had them before he went on medication.

The next page Reid asks Holmes about talks about philosophers that he calls "the insanes." The page has several true or false questions.

Holmes said he couldn't think of any particular meaning to the passage.

Reid asks Holmes to read the poem he wrote after he was released from the hospital. It included the line, "Something lies in wait."

Holmes struggled to explain the meaning of the poem. When Reid compliments the poem, Holmes thanks him.

"The past exceeds escape," Reid read from the poem.

"You can't escape your past," Holmes said unprompted.

Reid continues to read from the poem.

"What's it say about you?" Reid asked.

"I'm trapped," Holmes said.

"What's the picture in your mind?" Reid asked.

"Sadness."

Reid asked how Holmes felt when he wrote the poem. He said he didn't remember.

Holmes said he doesn't write anymore.

"What's the point?" Holmes said.

Holmes told Reid that he has felt depressed lately. He sleeps a lot because it "is the easiest way to pass the time."

It could be the way he passes the time for years, Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes why he accepts his situations so easily.

"I can't change the future of the past," Holmes said.

Reid agreed but he also told Holmes that most people have thoughts and feelings about the past and the future. Holmes said he has them too.

"I don't have too many fond future memories," Holmes said.

Reid points out that Holmes has not talked about fear as much as he has sadness.

Reid and Holmes then take a lunch break. Prosecutors pause the tape.

2:00 p.m.

After the video stopped, Brauchler continued asking Reid questions.

Reid explained that he asked Holmes about his final presentation because they were just weeks before the shooting. The reasons Holmes gave for not studying did not appear to be irrational, instead it was clear that he had other tasks to complete and graduate school was no longer relevant, Reid said.

But Holmes' reasons for shooting people were not rational, Reid said.

Holmes' explanation that his professors did not give him directions for what to study seemed like a "cop-out." The fact that Holmes waited to drop out of the program to avoid suspicion suggested to Reid that Holmes wanted to keep his plans a secret. That action appeared to be a rational thought process, Reid said.

It speaks to Holmes' capacity to know right from wrong, Reid said.

Reid said Holmes' theory about morality resembled that of "moral relativism." But the theory he wrote about in his cell doesn't appear to impact Holmes' capacity to know right from wrong, Reid said.

Reid said the contents in the journal Holmes kept in jail could have been used to help look at Holmes' mental illness.

Brauchler asked Reid about Holmes' comment that it was easier to get rid of people than to deal with them. Reid said the statement was one of several odd statements Holmes made during the interview.

"That doesn't go to my view to how he was doing in terms of capacity," Reid said.

2:29 p.m.

Brauchler finished asking Reid questions and they started playing the next segment.

Holmes described the books he was reading in jail, including the Game of Thrones.

Reid then goes on to ask Holmes about the background checks he went through to buy his guns.

"In the store did you have any difficulty with people?" Reid asked.

"No, because we had something to talk about," Holmes said.

Reid moves on to ask Holmes if he ever talked to his friends about being depressed. Holmes described one time he took a friend to the emergency room. He never asked him why he needed to go to the emergency room.

Reid tells Holmes that he came back to the jail to talk with Holmes because he needed to clarify some things.

Holmes said that when Reid or other people come to see him, he enjoys the break in routine.

Next, Reid asks Holmes about his relationship with a fellow student. The friend would visit Holmes at his apartment.

He showed his friend the first gun he bought in the spring of 2012. Holmes said his friend commented on how expensive the gun was.

Reid then asked Holmes about keeping the shooting impersonal.

"I don't think I could do it if it was personal," Holmes said.

Reid describes one victim's account of Holmes shooting over his head even though he looked at him. Holmes said he did not remember that person in the theater.

"I thought the majority of it was impersonal," Holmes said.

Holmes then clarifies that he never saw an employee behind the theater -- he couldn't because the sunshade was up. Instead, Holmes said that he heard the employee.

But Holmes reiterated that if the employee had discovered him, he likely would have killed him with the handgun. Reid asked how he could have done that if it was more personal.

"It was all hypothetical," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes if he thinks there is a difference between impersonal and indifferent.

"They're pretty similar," Holmes said.

Holmes said he developed his theory of "human capital" while he was in graduate school. Again, Holmes explains that his study of economics helped him create his theory.

He sent a text message to his then girlfriend describing the theory he was developing. Holmes eventually started to "quantify" the theory and the holes in his theory filled in as he was writing in his notebook.

2:44 p.m.

Reid goes on to ask Holmes about his theory on morality and the similarities it had with moral relativism. Holmes explained that under moral relativism there was no societal standard for right and wrong and people can determine what is right and wrong on their own.

In order for the theory to work world-wide, society would have to change and enforcers would be necessary -- such as body guards.

"It'd be a completely different society," Holmes said. Instead of being "quality based," society would be "survival based."

It is a place he said he could exist in so long as he was "top dog."

"Does society have a right to contain you if it doesn't do what you think is OK?" Reid asked.

Holmes said he thinks there are groups of society that may have a conflict with another group of society. Whoever is strongest or the most clever would win.

Moral relativism would not destroy humanity, Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes about his past offenses. Holmes said the only other time he was in trouble was when he got a traffic ticket.

Reid asked Holmes if he would run a red light or steal from a store. Holmes said he wouldn't run the light because he doesn't want to get in an accident. He wouldn't steal because he might get caught.

But Reid points out that Holmes does not talk about his actions' effects on other people.

Reid asks if, in addition to the shooting, there were times when Holmes did something he thought was morally right but others thought was wrong. Holmes couldn't' think of anything other than the shooting.

"That seems odd to me," Reid said. Reid elaborated that there are usually other examples.

"You treat people fairly nicely," Reid said.

Holmes said that he treats people with common courtesy. There were times when Holmes did not want to be polite, he said.

"You're not supposed to be rude," Holmes said.

2:51 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes if there were ever periods of time -- hours or minutes -- in which he doesn't know where the time went.

Holmes does not remember times during the shooting, he said.

"When I was shooting randomly, I don't even know if it was randomly. I'm not sure," Holmes said.

Reid asked if there were any other times and Holmes said there was not.

The judge paused the video and the jury was released for an afternoon break.

3:24 p.m..

After the afternoon break, prosecutors continued playing the video for the jury.

In previous segments Holmes has talked about being delusional. Reid asked him to elaborate on the times he was delusional.

Holmes said he was delusional around the shooting. He thought he was delusional because he "wanted to kill the whole world."

"A lot of people don't want to destroy the whole world," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes if that was closer to a "crazy thought." He explained that he thinks a delusion is when someone believes something that others do not.

Holmes said his belief in human capital is a delusion. It's a delusion because other people don't appear to believe it as well, he said.

"I don't know anybody who agrees with me," Holmes said.

3:30 p.m.

Reid then asked Holmes why he thought people were watching him before the shooting.

Holmes said he thought Dr. Lynne Fenton was "keeping tabs" on him. He didn't think anyone else was observing him.

Holmes said he didn't think that anyone had bugged his apartment.

Before the shooting Holmes did not watch a lot of news. He still doesn't watch a lot of news.

"It's not entertaining," Holmes said.

When he did read the news, Holmes went to The New York Times website. The science section was his favorite section.

There were times after the shooting when Holmes watched the news and thought President Obama was nodding at him. He never experienced anything like that before the shooting.

3:39 p.m.

In his cell, Holmes tried to hide his thoughts from the shadows he said he saw.

Holmes said officers cover the window on the door of his cell a lot, whenever there are people in the common area, he said.

"Do people bother you by looking in?" Reid said.

"Just lookie-loos," Holmes said.

Holmes said he likes being able to look out his window because it makes his cell feel bigger. It doesn't matter to him whether he can see people.

Sometimes Holmes can hear people yelling at him in the jail, but he seldom talks to them. He's never carried on a conversation with other inmates, he said. Other inmates are not supposed to talk to him, he said.

"It doesn't matter," Holmes said.

Reid asked if it would have mattered in spring 2012 if nobody talked to him.

"I didn't text them or call them," Holmes said.

Next Reid asked if it would have mattered if no one in the store talked to him.

"No, as still as I could still buy the materials and resources I needed," Holmes said.

Holmes said he would have felt like an outcast if his friends didn't talk to him while he was in undergraduate studies. He would have felt "shunned."

3:47 p.m.

Reid told Holmes that his concerns about being shunned implied to him that Holmes was worried that he doesn't matter or have value.

"I think if you're feeling valueless you want to find a way to be valued," Holmes said.

Holmes said he felt valueless when he was in graduate school.

"The career I'd chosen was most likely over," Holmes said.

Before he started buying the guns, Holmes said he did not feel valued because his lab rotations didn't go well.

"Nobody cared if I stayed in the program or not," Holmes said.

3:52 p.m.

Holmes' parents write him letters in jail. His sister does not.

"I think she still values me," Holmes said.

"Do you think she values you as one or 13?" Reid said.

"One maybe," Holmes said.

Holmes again struggled to clearly describe the benefits of increasing his value. He described it as a "feeling."

Reid asked if Holmes was "kidding" himself that he has value.

"No," Holmes said.

Holmes said that his value was "hard set." The number 13 is a "summation of the values."

4:03 p.m.

Again, Reid draws Holmes back to the notebook. He wants to know why Holmes places so much importance on the notebook. The notebook is more important than what he wrote in his cell, Holmes said.

Holmes said the notebook was more important because he wrote it before the shooting. Holmes said he wrote the notebook "when things were wrong with his mind."

Reid asked about Holmes' writings that described brief periods of invincibility.

Those moments would happen when Holmes was driving and he would drive over the speed limit. When those moments happened Holmes couldn't be hurt.

"It just seemed like I was going places fast," Holmes said.

Holmes wrote that he felt invincible three or four days a week. But when Reid asked about it Holmes said he doesn't remember.

Also in the notebook, Holmes wrote about periods of immobility. He could get up to use the restroom and eat, but otherwise he would be still.

4:10 p.m.

The first time Holmes saw a "flickering" was when he was working in one of the labs at CU.

Holmes saw something split into two and "gobble each other up." The figures just looked like "blobs."

Eventually the shapes began to look like people.

The next time Holmes saw the shadows was on the ceiling on his bedroom.

Reid asked what emotions Holmes experienced when he saw the figures. Holmes said he was confused and he tried to find a logical explanation for the shadows.

He wasn't frightened or concerned, he said.

"It really wasn't doing harm or anything," Holmes said.

Reid asked what Holmes would have done if his then-girlfriend had described seeing blobs.

"I'd say you should see a psychiatrist or an optometrist," Holmes said.

The shadows were not one of the reasons Holmes went to see Fenton.

4:20 p.m.

Holmes didn't consider the shadows harmful. They would have been a concern for his girlfriend because she was "more normal."

"I guess I figured I had a broken brain," Holmes said.

The first time Holmes realized he had a "broken brain" he was a teenager.

Next, Reid asked about the passage where Holmes writes about falling in love and losing a battle. Holmes told Reid that he did not want to fall in love.

"There's a biological drive to procreate and a biological drive to fall in love. I couldn't overcome those," Holmes said.

He wanted to fight his biology, Holmes said.

But Reid noted that he didn't fight the drive to eat or drink.

Holmes said he broke a pact he made with himself when he was a kid that he would never fall in love. In answering Reid's questions, Holmes said, as an adult, he never made a pact not to have sex.

Holmes felt guilty about breaking his pact not to fall in love, he said.

Reid asked how the pact was so strong when Holmes was an adult. Was he afraid of losing someone if he fell in love?

"I don't think I rationalized it," Holmes said.

4:28 p.m.

"How did the falling in love work out for you?" Reid asked.

"I'm glad I did it," Holmes said.

Falling in love gave Holmes a chance to "know" someone and "care" for someone, he said.

Still, Holmes wrote that he "lost the battle" of falling in love in his notebook.

Holmes also promised himself that he would never hate his mother. He made the pact when he was a kid and he was angry at his mother.

"It wasn't acceptable to be angry at her," Holmes said.

He does not remember why he was angry at his mother.

"What happens if one gets angry at his mother?" Reid asked.

"She could treat you differently," Holmes said.

He also said she could be hostile, put him in a time out, spank him or ignore him.

"It seems to me like the single most important person you want to value you is your mother," Reid said.

Holmes agreed.

"Does your mom ever threaten to leave you?" Reid asked.

"No," Holmes said.

Holmes said he kept his pact. The times he was angry he "suppressed it."

4:40 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes about a passage in his notebook that says he has thought about killing since he was a kid.

Holmes told Reid that he didn't have a "mission" when he was a child.

But Reid pushes him to consider the evolution of his childhood obsession with killing and carrying out the shooting. Holmes saw the evolution of the idea as "continuous." His obsession was never interrupted.

Holmes tells Reid that he used the word "obsession" because he thinks he has OCD.

As a child Holmes had reccurring thoughts about killing people, he said. The thoughts would happen during his down time, such as when he was going to sleep.

Holmes kept his obsession private.

Reid found drawings that Holmes did as a child while he was in family therapy. The doctor asked Holmes to draw a house and a family.

Reid asked Holmes why he wrote that he was escaping something in his notebook. Holmes didn't think he was escaping anything.

"Do you think you saw yourself erroneously?" Reid asked. Reid asked him to consider the question at different ages.

When Holmes was a younger child he thought he was normal. At age 10 he started thinking about killing people, but the thoughts didn't worry him.

"Thinking one is broken is not always proof that one is broken," Reid said. He asked how accurate Holmes thinks he has been.

"Pretty accurate," Holmes said.

Reid asked how well Holmes can read other people.

"Pretty good," Holmes said.

4:49 p.m.

Reid asked how many times he did nice things for his girlfriend.

Holmes said he did several nice things for her, including going to 7-Eleven to buy her a Slurpee while she studied.

Flipping through his notes, Reid stops and asks Holmes about writing that he had to "eviscerate his soul" to fix his broken brain.

Holmes leans over to read the passage.

"I don't know what I meant," Holmes told Reid.

When Reid asks Holmes why he wrote that he had to sacrifice his soul to fix his mind, Holmes said that the core of his being is his soul.

The word "eviscerate" means to cut out a weakness, he said. In a dictionary the word might mean "to just cut out," Holmes said.

When Reid shares the definition of eviscerate with Holmes, Holmes said that he considered that to be "disemboweled."

Reid pushes Holmes because he says it's unclear how someone as smart as Holmes did not know what the word meant.

Holmes then tells Reid that whether his mind is broken, it was too important for him to get rid of.

5:04 p.m.

Reid tells Holmes that some of the ideas he wrote about under the heading, "Crazy Thoughts" were actually philosophical.

"Any reason why I wrote that?" Holmes said to Reid with a smile.

Reid asked Holmes why he wrote the word "why" for so many pages -- about 250 times, Reid estimates.

"I don't know what state of mind I was in," Holmes said.

He wrote the word over and over again one afternoon after he dropped out of school.

Reid asked whether Holmes intended to send the notebook to Dr. Fenton as he wrote it. He asked why Holmes would also send her details of his plans.

"This suggests to me that the last details of the planning took place a little later than I thought they did," Reid said.

Holmes said he didn't case the theaters until June and July.

He created the notebook specifically to send to Dr. Fenton, Holmes said. Holmes said Fenton wouldn't answer his question about what the meaning of life is when he asked her in person.

Again, Reid asked Holmes to clarify whether the shooting had to do with hating mankind and gaining value from other others.

"I didn't really hate any of the people in the theater. I just hate mankind in general," Holmes said.

Reid pushed to talk about his motivation for killing them.

Holmes said so he wouldn't commit suicide and he could increase his value. Hating mankind had "very little" to do with Holmes' motivation for the shooting.

5:10 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes what happened to his wallet when he was arrested.

"Don't have a penny," Holmes said.

After that Reid said goodnight to Holmes and told him he would be back the next day.

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James Holmes Interviews (Trial Day 25 Parts 1-3)

Prosecutors on Thursday are expected finish playing recordings of the Aurora movie theater gunman's interview with a psychiatrist and defense attorneys may question the doctor for the first time since he took the stand a week ago.

Spoiler:

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After District Court Judge Carlos Samour Jr. gave the jury instructions about how they may consider what they see in the videos, prosecutors started playing the last three hours of the interview recordings Thursday morning.

The interview shown in the recordings was done on Aug. 28, 2014, at the Arapahoe County jail.

The video begins with Reid asking Holmes how he slept and whether his dinner was OK.

"Tacos," Holmes said.

Reid begins by asking Holmes about comments he made to a different psychiatrist. Reid said Holmes described trying to "physically and mentally differentiate himself from his normal self."

Holmes explains that he was talking about the photographs he took before the shooting. He also told the doctor that he was trying to find a way to "protect himself."

He also described thinking that he was "transferring the blame" to "crazy James" before the shooting.

Reid asked Holmes why he doesn't use the word "evil" very often with him.

"Where does the concept of evil fit in with you?" Reid said.

"Killing people is considered evil," Holmes said.

Holmes said everyone considers killing someone to be evil, but he does not consider it to be evil.

Reid asked what others would think of Holmes saying that his act was not evil.

Holmes said "It's up to whoever is trying to figure it out."

9:07 a.m.

Before the shooting, Holmes talked with his then-girlfriend about what was and wasn't evil.

Reid then asked Holmes about whether he still feels that life is meaningless. Holmes said he still believes that.

He also discussed the purpose of life with his former girlfriend. He described taking away other people's purpose to add to his self worth.

Reid asked Holmes if his questions are clear because he was looking at him "like a deer in the headlights." He asked Holmes if people have a purpose.

"I'd say no," Holmes said.

9:11 a.m.

Holmes told a different doctor that he thought killing people at the time of the shooting was evil because it was against the law. Reid asked if there was any other time when killing people might be evil.

"The other person doesn't want to die," Holmes said.

Killing someone who didn't want to die would be going against their wishes, Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to explain what is morally evil.

"What's there to talk about?" Holmes asked.

Reid asked what came to Holmes' mind.

He told Reid that if you kill someone and it is against the law, then it is also morally evil.

But Reid pushes Holmes and asks if killing people the way he did was evil.

"No because it wasn't malicious," Holmes said.

"What was it?" Reid asked.

"I don't know," Holmes said.

He later says that it was "harmful."

"I didn't really consider the morality," Holmes said. "It didn't matter morally."

9:16 a.m.

Holmes says that whether people consider his acts as morally wrong is "all subjective."

Reid asked Holmes about whether he considered children when planning his attack and whether that was a consideration of what was right or wrong to do.

"I think it's wrong to kill children," Holmes said.

"If you kill children do you still get a point for their death?" Reid asked.

"Yeah. Their lives are valuable too," Holmes said.

Children are not worth more in Holmes' system, he said. He agreed with Reid that children matter enough not to want to kill them.

There was no other group that matters enough not to kill them. He said children 12 and under matter enough not to kill.

He thought about his value for children after the fact. He has previously said he picked the Batman movie and midnight showing because he didn't think children would be there.

9:21 a.m.

Reid asked why Holmes described himself as "bad news bears" to a woman before the shooting.

"I thought other people would view me as bad," Holmes said.

He does not think of himself as bad.

Next Reid asks about the photographs women sent of themselves to Holmes in jail.

"How did they know about you?" Reid asked.

"Through media coverage," Holmes said. He also said they may have responded to his online dating profiles.

Some of the women specifically mentioned that, Holmes said.

Reid asked how long his profile was up. Holmes guessed that it was up for a week after the shooting.

Holmes said he joined Adult Friend Finder and Match.com dating profiles. He also posted to a more adult-oriented dating website.

The responses he got back were not too "raunchy," Holmes said.

9:29 a.m.

Reid again asked Holmes about his thoughts about one of his reasons for the shooting, which was so he would not have to commit suicide. He questioned Holmes about the concept of trading other people's lives for his.

Holmes struggled to understand the question, he said.

Reid asked him about the logic behind that thinking.

"It was necessary to do what was in my best interest," Holmes said.

"Does that seem OK? Where does that fit in the moral scheme of things?" Reid said.

"It's against the law," Holmes said. "I guess it would be selfish."

"It seems real selfish," Reid said.

"Yeah," Holmes said.

Holmes said he did not kill for the thrill of it. He said it was more of "something I need as opposed to want."

Next, Reid tells Holmes that the shooting is the only instance he can find when Holmes acted selfishly. Holmes agreed.

Reid also asked if the thought of trading other's lives for his seemed like a reasonable trade at the time of the shooting. Holmes said it did. He also said it still sounds like a reasonable trade.

Holmes at one point said that he thought there was a 50/50 chance that killing others would make him feel better. Reid asked if that was OK.

"If there is no other option," Holmes said.

"What other options could there have been?" Reid asked.

"If therapy worked," Holmes said.

Holmes said the therapy was not treating his depression.

9:35 a.m.

Holmes hoped that his therapy would have given him an alternative to the shooting.

"Why would it have been helpful to have an alternative?" Reid asked. "Why would you bother to hope that Fenton might be able to change that?"

"Cause if she could cure me then I wouldn't need to be isolated in jail," Holmes said.

Reid points out that Holmes jumped from needing to kill people to being in jail and asked why.

Holmes explained that he meant, "To be isolated. Not necessarily in jail."

Reid again asked Holmes about the phrase "dysphoric mania" which he did not bring up to Dr. Lynne Fenton, who was treating him at the University of Colorado.

Holmes explained that he was referring to being depressed and having episodes of "hyper speed."

Reid asked when he had the episodes. Holmes said he thinks some of the medication he was prescribed caused him to go manic.

"I don't think I'm manic anymore," Holmes said. He does not know if the episodes continued up until the time of the shooting.

9:43 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes about conversations they had weeks earlier at the hospital in Pueblo.

He asked about Holmes' desire not to be executed because it would hurt his family. Reid asked if he gets emotional thinking about his family.

"Not really," Holmes said.

"I've not seen you come close to tears," Reid said.

"I think closer to the incident I was more emotional," Holmes said. He was more emotional about his family and that they cared about him. He was referring to after the shooting.

Now, Holmes said he has "accepted the way things are."

Reid asked him if he looks forward to hearing from his family.

"I'm happy when they send me letters," Holmes said.

Reid asked if Holmes would like for his sister to write to him. She has never written him a letter.

"Doesn't matter," Holmes said. Holmes said that doesn't mean that his sister doesn't matter.

"I know she loves me anyway," Holmes said referring to his sister.

9:52 a.m.

Holmes thought about Reid's questions about "good times" with family and friends. Reid asked how often he thinks of those memories.

"Maybe once a day," Holmes said. He said the memories make him feel reminiscent.

"Those were happy times in my life," Holmes said. "It also makes me remorseful that I wont have any new fond memories."

The memories used to make Holmes tear up, but not any more, he said.

Reid moves on to asking Holmes about the reasons why he stopped shooting inside the theater.

"I felt I'd shot enough people. The other was the weapon jamming," Holmes said.

Holmes said he did not feel like he was in danger.

Reid asked about his thought process and decision to leave.

"I just walked out the emergency exit door," Holmes said.

In a "normal walking pace" he walked to the door. He looked back at the seats.

"No one was sitting in them," Holmes said. "They were all crouched down."

Reid asked Holmes about a man he described who he said smiled at him as he walked out. Reid asked if the man could have been grimacing.

"No. He wasn't holding his leg or arm or anything," Holmes said.

The man was on the floor in front of his seat with his legs to the side, Holmes said.

"He didn't look like he was in pain at all," Holmes said.

"Did you think about shooting him?" Reid said.

"No," Holmes said. "It probably would have been really personal to fire at someone who was smiling at you."

Holmes was still holding the rifle when he walked out.

9:57 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes if he knows what happened to a man he saw being carried out of the theater.

"There were so many injured I don't know," Holmes said.

Outside the theater Holmes said he saw two officers. They walked away from him at first because they thought he was an officer, Holmes said.

Reid asked why he didn't shoot the officers.

"I considered the mission over," Holmes said. He also said he didn't want to get shot.

Holmes felt "relief" when the shooting was over.

"It was finally done," Holmes said.

As he looked at the backs of the two police officers, Holmes took the handgun out of his belt and placed it on the top of the car. He was ready to shoot back at the officers if they shot at him, but other than that he didn't think about shooting them.

10:00 a.m.

Reid asked if Holmes if his difficulty studying at the end of 2011 and early 2012 could have been a result of mononucleosis. Holmes said it could have been.

He still went to his classes.

The video unexpectedly paused and the judge decided it was a good time for the jury to take their morning break.

10:34 a.m.

After the morning break, the jury was brought back into the courtroom. Prosecutors continued playing the video of the Aug. 28 interview.

Reid is heard asking Holmes about his concerns in 2012 that he was under surveillance. Holmes has said he thought he was under surveillance because he was planning the attack.

Looking back, Holmes said he thinks there was paranoia on his part. He said he closed all the blinds in his apartment.

He kept the blinds closed all the time, he said.

He bought the window tint for his car about a week before the shooting. He installed the window tint "just before the mission"

While doing online searches and ordering items off the Internet, Holmes used his real name and credit card.

Holmes said he would see law enforcement cars around his apartment building, but he said they were likely there because there was a bar across the street. A couple of times, Holmes thought there was what he thought was an unmarked vehicle near his apartment.

The unmarked cars would park across the street, he said.

10:44 a.m.

Holmes said he selected a shooting range two hours away because it was unsupervised.

"How did it feel to shoot those weapons?" Reid asked.

"It felt routine," Holmes said.

Holmes fired thousands of rounds at the shooting range. When he practiced firing the guns he was either standing up or crouching down. Sometimes he would practice moving side to side.

He shot at paper targets with images of people on them, but Holmes said he never imagined they were real people.

After Reid returned from a restroom break, he took Holmes' pulse again. Then he continues asking Holmes about subjects they discussed in Pueblo.

Reid, again, asked Holmes about being remembered for the shooting.

Holmes said that's what the photographs he took before the shooting were for.

Reid asked about Holmes describing himself looking like a dangerous person in the photographed. He asked him about being remembered as dangerous.

"Just that this isn't someone that you want to mess with," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to clarify having "defensive thoughts" versus "offensive thoughts."

"What kind of person doesn't get messed with?" Reid asked.

"Tough guy," Holmes said.

"How does that fit with you?" Reid asked.

"They were frightening pictures," Holmes said. "I'm not normally a tough guy."

10:51 a.m.

Holmes said he was a "tough guy" during the shooting.

"I'm all decked out in body armor and weapons. It gives off the tough essence," Holmes said.

Reid asked if he felt tough during the shooting.

"Not really," Holmes said.

Before the shootings, Holmes remembers feeling like a tough guy as he took the photographs.

"They look different than what I normally look like," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes what the black contacts and orange hair had to do with being a tough guy.

"It would be frightening to whoever saw it," Holmes said. No one ever saw Holmes with the contact in person. Only in the photographs.

Reid asked how the photographs would be frightening.

"The lenses are more psychological toughness," Holmes said.

Holmes said he didn't really have a reason to dye his hair. The color red suggests "bravery," Holmes said.

Reid asked if he was brave in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

"Yeah," Holmes said.

Reid asked how.

"I was moving to a new state. I was doing new things," Holmes said.

Reid asked if he was scared in the same time period.

"No," Holmes said.

10:58 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes if an attempted break-in at his friend's apartment scared him.

Holmes said it didn't scare him. Instead it made him more motivated to be prepared.

Reid asked when being prepared turned into planning to hurt others.

"Once I bought the shotgun it was an offensive thing," Holmes said.

Next, Reid asked Holmes to talk about the death of his maternal grandfather.

Holmes said once they played the piano together, but he doesn't remember much else. He learned little about his grandfather later in life.

Reid asked if Holmes was curious about his grandparents, who have all died.

"Well, they're all dead," Holmes said.

He then added that he might have a little bit of curiosity.

In response to Reid's question, Holmes said he's never been concerned that his parents have done bad things.

Reid then asked Holmes about his aunt.

Holmes said that he remembers her being friendly and quiet. He said his parents told him that his aunt has schizophrenia. They may have told him that while he was in jail, Holmes said.

11:06 a.m.

Holmes said his idea of creating a defensive space morphed into an offensive attack.

"My planning got more deliberate," Holmes said. "I got committed to the mission."

The mission "got real," and Holmes decided to buy the shotgun, he said. He started having "realistic thoughts about a group of people getting killed instead of mankind getting killed.

Before those thoughts, Holmes had "unrealistic" thoughts about people getting killed.

Reid asked Holmes to explain when the "less realistic" thoughts happened. Holmes told him it was when he was a teenager.

The thoughts were continuous after that.

Reid asked Holmes to describe what made the thoughts realistic.

"It was a small group instead of everybody," Holmes said.

He pictured a crowd. He didn't know what they looked like or where they were.

"They were just a crowd," Holmes said.

He doesn't remember the crowd ever threatening him.

11:16 a.m.

"Did you ever have relatively concrete thoughts about actually annihilating mankind?" Reid asked.

Holmes said they were always abstract thoughts.

Next, Reid asked Holmes about where his "mission" came from.

"It was internal," Holmes said.

In Pueblo, Holmes told Reid there was no other alternative to the mission. Later, in the current segment, Holmes told Reid that an alternative was therapy.

Therapy could have "removed those killing thoughts," Holmes said.

Another alternative would have been discussing thoughts with friends, Holmes said.

"I guess I just didn't think of any other alternatives at the time," Holmes said.

Holmes said the mission was "so absorbing that it felt like the only thing to do."

If he didn't carry out the mission he would have to commit suicide, he said.

Reid points out that Holmes said he was not aware that he was suicidal before the shooting. But Holmes said he was aware that he was suicidal.

Reid asks Holmes to give him examples of time he felt suicidal.

"I would automatically transfer to homicidal thoughts and then I wasn't aware of the suicidal thoughts," Holmes said.

Reid pushes back and asks for times when Holmes felt suicidal.

"When I was depressed," Holmes said.

Holmes said he thought about "downing a bunch of pills."

When Reid pushed Holmes to explain the incident, Holmes said, "It wasn't serious."

11:20 a.m.

"I figure if there was no purpose there was no reason to live," Holmes said.

It was during his last months in school that he thought about taking the pills, Holmes said. He didn't think of any other way to kill himself.

Holmes thought taking the pills wouldn't be painful.

The mission stopped Holmes from taking the pills, he said.

One of the purposes of the mission was to save his life, Holmes said. The other reason was to increase his value, Holmes said. Another reason was a "hatred of mankind," Holmes said.

But his hatred of mankind had "very little" to do with his reasons.

Reid asked if hating mankind made it easier to kill people.

"No, I don't think so," Holmes said.

Reid then asked if Holmes used the hatred as a justification for killing others. Holmes said he didn't use it as a justification.

11:30 a.m.

Reid moves onto Holmes' friends and why he cut them off in 2012. Holmes said his friends didn't respond when he quit contacting them.

"Is it fair to say that you opted out?" Reid said.

"I think that's fair," Holmes said. He also said it was a mutual arrangement because they didn't reach out to him.

Holmes also said his breakup with his girlfriend was one reason he separated from the group.

"Was being alone more comfortable for you than being with the group?" Reid asked.

"No, I liked being with the group," Holmes said.

Being with the group was too painful for Holmes after his breakup, he said. The time Holmes needed to plan his mission was not a reason for abandoning the group, he said.

Reid asked Holmes why he accepted the mission when he didn't think it was serious.

Holmes said the seriousness of the mission progressed throughout time. The mission wasn't "offensive" when he bought his first handgun.

11:37 a.m.

The first gun Holmes fired was either the handgun or assault rifle he bought. The only place he shot the guns before the shooting was at the shooting range where he practiced.

Holmes bought all of his weapons before he fired any of them, he said.

The night before the shooting -- July 18 -- Holmes said went along as another day. He knew that he would have to assemble the incendiary devices the next day.

Holmes said he didn't struggle to fall asleep that night.

Reid asked if Holmes had any dreams he remembers prior to the shooting. Holmes said he did not.

"I don't have any nightmares," Holmes said.

When he was a kid he had nightmares about ghosts, he said.

11:43 a.m.

Reid asked Holmes about how he considered the consequences.

"I considered I would die or get locked up," Holmes said. "It kind of ended right there."

But Reid pointed out that Holmes knew how close police were to the theater.

Holmes said he assumed he would get caught.

Reid asked why Holmes didn't pick a different location.

"Part of it was I was comfortable in the movie theater. It was a place I was used to," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes how he viewed his future before the shooting.

"You worked pretty hard in college, which is you shaping your own future," Reid said. "You worked pretty hard to get into grad school."

But Holmes said that during his final exams in graduate school he "left it up to fate."

In an earlier interview, Holmes told Reid that by the time the finals rolled around, he had already accepted he wasn't going to stay in the program. But Holmes explains that he left the outcome of the exams up to fate and not what was coming after.

11:51 a.m.

Reid circles back to the word evil.

Holmes never implied to Reid that something evil made him do the mission, Reid said.

"What about you being evil?" Reid asked.

"I think everybody has the capacity for evil," Holmes said.

Reid asked Holmes to stay focused on himself.

"Is it an evil Jimmy Holmes, James Holmes, that does this?" Reid asked.

"I don't think there's an evil to James Holmes," Holmes said.

Holmes explained that he dyed his hair red and put in the black contacts to portray an "evil me," but that was not "the normal me."

"The shootings were unusual for me. I don't usually do things like that," Holmes said.

"An evil you came out?" Reid asked.

"It's kind of out of character for me," Holmes said.

Reid asked if an "evil part of James Holmes" did the shooting.

"It sounds possible," Holmes said. He didn't elaborate.

"I don't think there's a separate evil me," Holmes said.

12:01 p.m.

Reid again asked why Holmes didn't consider people would be wounded during the shooting. He only factored the people who would be killed.

Reid asked Holmes if he got any pleasure out of the killings. Holmes said he did not.

Next, Reid asked how Holmes felt when he realized he was done.

"Relaxed," Holmes said. He was not anxious inside the theater because he had planned. He was anxious when he walked up to the kiosk in the lobby.

Reid asked if he was every "free of the anxiety."

"When I was standing outside the emergency exit door," Holmes said. Before he walked into the theater he was focused and calm, he said.

The sense of relief Holmes felt happened after the shooting, not while he was shooting, he said. His muscles were loose after the shooting.

The video was then paused. The judge released the jury for an hour-long lunch break.

1:18 p.m.

After lunch the jury was brought back into the courtroom. The prosecution continued playing the last video segment.

Again, Reid is heard questioning Holmes about how his value increased after the shooting.

Holmes maintains that it was an "abstract" and "theoretical" possibility that he would feel better after the shooting.

Reid pushes Holmes to explain if there are ways that he really feels better today. He said it is still an abstract thought.

Next, Reid asked Holmes questions about lying and telling the truth.

"Everybody lies sometimes," Holmes said.

Reid asked what the worst lie Holmes ever told was.

"Probably the lie of omission of saying that I was going to go shoot people," Holmes said. He explained that not saying something is not a "true lie."

Next, Reid asked Holmes about people calling him the Joker after he was arrested. People in jail still call him the Joker sometimes.

1:36 p.m.

People in the cells around Holmes will yell, "The Joker!" at Holmes.

"They said, 'James the Joker,'" Holmes said.

Holmes said he is not sure if other inmates would recognize him if they saw him on TV.

Reid moves on to ask if Holmes did all of this because he wanted to be taken seriously.

"I feel like I was taken seriously," Holmes said. He said he was a serious student. Reid agreed that Holmes thought he was a serious student.

Holmes said there was no one who tried to get him to stay in his neuroscience graduate program. He said he told his adviser that he wanted to leave and he didn't encourage him to stay, Holmes said.

Holmes said it would have been nice if his adviser had told him to stay, he said.

"How'd you feel?" Reid asked.

"I guess undervalued," Holmes said.

Reid asked if something like that had ever happened before. Holmes said nothing came to mind.

But Reid asked if Holmes felt the same way when his family moved to San Diego. Holmes said his family listened to him.

Reid asked about the time between when he changed in his car and when he walked back into the theater.

That was the time Holmes thought the FBI would stop him because he was "in the act," Holmes said.

"I believed they could stop me, but I didn't believe it was probable," Holmes said.

He was surprised that they didn't stop him. He realized that they weren't going to stop him as he walked back in the door.

Holmes said he was 100 percent sure that he didn't say anything during the shooting.

Reid asked if it was possible that Holmes was not aware he was shooting. Holmes said he didn't know.

Holmes has previously said that the lens on his gas mask was scratched, but the light behind him made it hard to see.

Again, Reid asked Holmes about the way he wanted to be remembered before the shootings.

"I just wanted to be remembered visually by my picture," Holmes said. He said he was referring to the photographs he took of himself before the shooting.

Reid asked him if there was one photo that conveyed the way he wanted to be remembered.

Holmes said the most powerful one was the photo in which he was holding the gun in front of his face.

1:54 p.m.

Reid asked Holmes if he believed he was a strong guy at the time he took the photographs.

"I think so," Holmes said.

But he said he didn't think people would think of him as a strong guy. They would remember him because he had dyed hair and black contacts.

Reid said that what people will remember him for is the shooting. He asked Holmes if there was anything wrong with being remembered as mediocre or weak.

"Just that it wouldn't be memorable," Holmes said.

Reid then drew Holmes' attention back to when he was arrested.

"Everything went as expected," Holmes said. "I don't think there were any strong feelings."

Holmes said he was only emotional when he saw a poster about "child homicide" in the police station.

"I didn't think there were going to be any children there," Holmes said.

Reid reminded him that some of the people killed were parents.

"I never considered that until you brought it up," Holmes said.

Reid continues to jump around in his questions. Next he asked about the burned money that he sent in the package with the notebook.

Holmes said he sent Fenton the money to show her that money was a problem and one of the reasons he couldn't do therapy. He stuffed it all in the back of the notebook.

Reid said he could have just sent her the money. But Holmes said he worried that Fenton would have considered it a "payment."

The burned edges showed Fenton that because he lost his job he also lost his insurance and his "illness was at fault."

Reid asked if Holmes was angry.

"Maybe, I wasn't too angry," Holmes said. "It was kind of a mean thing to do. To send her a notebook of all the information she didn't collect."

Reid suggested that he was, in some ways, mad at Fenton when she messed up his prescription before the shooting.

"It was a little bit hostile," Holmes said. "It was a little bit mean."

Reid asked about the burned money again.

Holmes said he was showing her what she did wrong. The main reason he quit going to the sessions was because he had a mission.

Reid then asked Holmes if he left anything out in his questions.

"I have no idea," Holmes said.

"Want to expand on anything we've talked about?" Reid asked.

"Nope," Holmes said.

Again Reid wished Holmes what he said he tells everyone he interviews in such circumstances, "That what ever happens is fair."

[Daglord]

Great resource for released evidence & documents: http://extras.denverpost.com/trial/docs.html



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Theater Shooting Trial Exhibits
James Holmes' Notebook
Transcript of James Holmes' interview w/the FBI on the night of the shooting

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Previously unreleased video: Bomb squad robot enters movie theater gunman's booby-trapped apartment(4:31 PM, Sep 8, 2015)
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/movie-theater-shooting/previously-unreleased-video-bomb-squad-robot-enters-movie-theater-gunmans-booby-trapped-apartment

AURORA, Colo. - Now that the Aurora movie theater gunman is in prison for the rest of his life, previously unreleased videos, photos and documents from the case are being made public. One of the newly released reports contains details about the 20 improvised bombs set up throughout the apartment and details about the systems intended to set them off.

A video from the bomb squad robot that was sent into the apartment is also being released for the first time.

Testimony in the early weeks of the killer's 15-week trial revealed some details about the devices and the gunman's plan, but prosecutors were arguably more focused on the murders and attempted murders that made up 164 of the crimes they were trying to prove. Only one count pertained to the explosives and incendiary devices found inside the apartment at 1690 Paris St., No. 10, in Aurora.

A newly released FBI report signed by Special Agent Christopher Rigopoulos shows the FBI counted a total of 16 improvised explosive devices and four others that were classified as improvised incendiary devices. The document indicates that the improvised explosive devices were made of black spheres containing smokeless powder and the incendiary devices were pickle jars layered with thermite, smokeless powder and bullets inside a flammable liquid identified by the killer himself as napalm.

"Nothing is random in the components that were designed and appropriated for this device," Rigopoulos said during his testimony in May.

Rigopoulos has a long resume of responding to bombings and explosions all over the world, including the 1998 bombing of a U.S. embassy in Kenya and the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center in New York City. He was flown out to Aurora one day after the movie theater shooting, assisted in the investigation of the traps in Apartment 10 at 1960 Paris St., and then flew back to Virginia with evidence to process in the FBI lab.

In his 62-page report, made available to 7NEWS for the first time by the District Attorney's Office, 22 pages simply listed all of the evidence received by the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

On the 23rd page of the document, the report refers to the arrangement of devices as a "homemade bomb" and adds that the flammable liquids and powders spread throughout the apartment would "act as an enhancement" of the detonation. The entirety of the apartment is referred to as an "improvised incendiary explosive device" or "IIED."

The report also details the three possible methods of ignition that were set up by the killer. Perhaps the one that came closest to a devastating result involved a trip-wire by the door that could have spilled a chemical catalyst into a pan containing a powdered substance, thereby generating enough heat to ignite the apartment.

Knowing he had planned to open fire during the screening of a Batman movie that began after midnight, the killer admitted that he had hit play on a recording containing 40 minutes of silence before loud music that was intended to attract someone to the door. Prosecutors asserted during the trial that this was a failed attempt to draw first responders away from the theater prior to the shooting.

Neighbor Kaitlyn Fonzi testified in May that she was drawn to the apartment around midnight by the loud, thumping music. She knocked, but no one answered.

"I thought about opening the door, I had my hand on the doorknob, but it seemed like it was unlocked. And so in my better sense I decided to go downstairs and call the police," said Fonzi.

"It just seemed really off. I had a bad, gut feeling that I didn't want to see what was ever behind that door," she said.

Two other triggers in the apartment involved a remote pyrotechnic firing system that could be set off by remote. The killer told FBI Special Agent Garret Gumbinner and Aurora Police Detective Craig Appel that one of the triggers was left near a dumpster along with a remote-controlled car and a stereo intended to attract attention.

Luckily, the traps in the apartment were never triggered. Having admitted to arresting officers that he left them behind, the gunman's bombs were disarmed and collected as evidence along with computers, documents and other evidence that might not have survived the inferno he intended to cause.

James Holmes was convicted on one count of the possession of incendiary devices, in addition to two counts for each of the 12 murders and 70 attempted murders he committed inside the theater. In August, he was sentenced to 12 life sentences plus 3,318 years for his crimes.

[Edge Guerrero]

- Thank you for the post.
I always tought that type of bom was a cartoon thing: