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Postby Masato » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:15 am

Hey all

Received a great tip to look up ZOMIA. I had never heard of it.

Here is 1 (un)sophisticated introduction to ZOMIA, followed by a more sophisticated presentation by this dude James Scott who wrote a book about it.

ZOMIA is an are of mountainous high-elevation lands in southeast asia, where there has been a long history (until recently?) of STATE-LESS peoples. No Lord, no ruler, taxes, tithes etc. Yet apparently, through the right eyes, these people thrive and live well, learning to co-operate and manage the land without assistance or interference from anyone daring to claim 'authority'.

A sort of living anarchist state, that we never learn about in 'geography' or world nationalities...

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(In fact the presenter argues that the whole idea of 'nation states' with a clear border, flag, ruler, and system of taxes/control over a population can only really be applied globally within the past 100 years alone at best. I found this interesting and frightening; 1st divide the earth into identifiable states, then amalgamate the states. Good strategy :shock: )

He argues that these 'stateless' people in the mountains of southeast asia were not just leftover primitives that didn't keep up with cilvilization, but are quite possibly DELIBERATE ESCAPEES from state-ism/serfdom/capitalism.

He argues that in the past, to rule over populations in the mountains was physically unfeasible; was too hard to access, too hard to get the resources out, etc etc... and that there is a history of peoples in many places in the world 'fleeing to the mountains' to avoid being assimilated.

He discusses how in Africa, many people fled to the mountainous regions to escape the slave-trade, and that such populations flourished for some time having avoided foreign ideas of slavery or colonialism.

He also argues that WRITTEN HISTORY and LITERACY is a sort of trap, that once a culture begins to do this, that they are suddenly bound to it, and the ability to narrow and steer our idea of 'ourselves' is potent. He argues that such peoples like in Zomia also have a pattern of 'losing' their literacy and thus their 'known' history as another way of rebelling and escaping control of a capitalist ruling culture of ownership and empire.

Very fascinating. Goes with some of the 'Off-Grid' talk here... maybe I need to move back to the mountains :D

(PS: mind the pretentious bitch at the beginning of the second video, lol - the presenter for the lecture is not quite so painful to listen to :D )










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Postby Masato » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:25 am

"It is easier for a serf to find a lord, than it is for a lord to find a serf"

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Postby Canuckster » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:42 pm

Good stuff, bookmarked for later
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Postby IDL » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:08 pm

Strange concept if seeing the loss of history as a positive. I imagine they would keep making the same mistakes over again!

Also, as Orwell said
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

That would in effect mean they would be living without a sense of self. Stateless indeed.

Orwell wrote a book called Homage to Catalonia having to do with an anarchist society. It's commonly sighted but I haven't read it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia

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Postby Masato » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:37 pm

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

The other way could be to write/canonize a fake or incomplete one for them, and teach it to every child for many generations as fact. Writing it in a way EXCLUDES a great deal; it focuses on only 1 view, 1 paradigm.

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Postby Masato » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:40 pm

The presenter is also known for some other book/lectures entitled 'The Art of Not Being Governed'.

Haven't explored yet, will post when I do. Maybe someone will beat me to it

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Postby Edge Guerrero » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:17 pm

Masato wrote:“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

The other way could be to write/canonize a fake or incomplete one for them, and teach it to every child for many generations as fact. Writing it in a way EXCLUDES a great deal; it focuses on only 1 view, 1 paradigm.


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Postby IDL » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:33 pm

Masato wrote:“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

The other way could be to write/canonize a fake or incomplete one for them, and teach it to every child for many generations as fact. Writing it in a way EXCLUDES a great deal; it focuses on only 1 view, 1 paradigm.


Yes that's true. History written by the people would tend to romanticize it a bit but that also instills pride, self worth, and higher morale into the people.

Currently, with the application of critical theory, we are living in a strange time where the opposite is taking place. Our history is being used against us to demoralize us.

I suppose without a written history that would be one less weapon that could be used against a people if it got hijacked. Or, instead of books it would become decentralized to be shared orally by the people. If people rely on their elders for past knowledge they would always be getting it from people who care about them.

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Postby Edge Guerrero » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:29 pm

IDL wrote:
Yes that's true. History written by the people would tend to romanticize it a bit but that also instills pride, self worth, and higher morale into the people.

Currently, with the application of critical theory, we are living in a strange time where the opposite is taking place. Our history is being used against us to demoralize us.

I suppose without a written history that would be one less weapon that could be used against a people if it got hijacked. Or, instead of books it would become decentralized to be shared orally by the people. If people rely on their elders for past knowledge they would always be getting it from people who care about them.


- Even if history is embelled, still a very-cool class at school, and humans are very dawn creative, vide Greek or Aztec mythology, or the one that the natives of our lands created to explain the world around them.(Or Stan Lee and Jack Kirby :geek:)

History is a rich way, to fantasize about our past, that maybe didn't happened, but people were different, they didn't had google or played Game-cube.
BUt like you side, those histories where passed around by people that had connection with them, it's was a diferent, more unknow world.

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Postby Count Iblis » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:18 pm

Masato wrote:The presenter is also known for some other book/lectures entitled 'The Art of Not Being Governed'.

Haven't explored yet, will post when I do. Maybe someone will beat me to it


I've got the book but haven't had a chance to start it yet. I'm currently reading The Law of the Somalis by van Notten. It explains the Somali anarchic system of law and justice. Very interesting stuff and shows how a society can have laws without a government to dictate them.


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