At Shaolin

[Vutulaki-san]

Okay can someone explain the point of doing kung fu then?

[Luigi]

As in traditional kung fu? I think its good to understand the mechanics of a fighting system that assumes your enemy is willing to grab a handful of your nuts and try to make peanut butter. It is the only art I have seen with an extensive system of small joint manipulation, trachea attacks and pressure point attacks. It also has the cultural value associated with any ancient practice.

If you are talking about Chinese martial arts that incorporate modern training methods such as Sanda, the point is to kick some ass! Sanda guys such as Cung Le, Bagazit Ateyev and Muslim Salikov have shown how effective it is in an MMA environment and in terms of transitioning to kickboxing they have arguably outperformed Muay Thai.

[Vutulaki-san]

Sanda is KB with throws.

[Luigi]

KB was slowly developed by individuals starting in the 50s, Sanda was systematized by the communist government in the 20s. KB is Sanda without throws would be more accurate, both are clearly distinct though.

[Masato]

Ain't really like that though Luigi. I have healthy respect for Kung Fu, especially Hung Gar. You can ask Diet Butcher about that. When I see bad form I'll call it out though, and then being told it's not bad form but techniques I am not familiar with seems a bit cultish.

This true. Som has PMed me about Hung Gar and Pak Mei.

Thing is, I like Kung Fu, grew up on it. It's not the techniques... I believe the techniques work. But they don't train to make it work. They do the forms and some very rudimentary bag or pad work (only offense, hardly any defense ever) and that's it.

My brother, who tranes, came to HK a couple of years back for the summer. He decided to take kung fu lessons from a family friend. My bro was nothing but respectful trying to learn what he can with no ego. But one of the sifu's students, his "top student" I suppose, wanted to test my bro. My bro just shrugged it off most of the time until one time he agreed to spar the guy. He arm dragged the "Top student", took him down, mounted him, slapped him around a bit and armbarred him. Since that incident, the sifu asked my bro to come to every class so he could show them some stuff, lol.

great story, lol

[Vutulaki-san]

KB was slowly developed by individuals starting in the 50s, Sanda was systematized by the communist government in the 20s. KB is Sanda without throws would be more accurate, both are clearly distinct though.

KB is a watered down version of MT, MT has been around since the second Burmese invasion yes?

[Som-Pong]

MT is actually Cambodian. Don't tell the Thais though. My current favorite rule-set is that of Lethwei.

[Professor Diet Butcher]

Ain't really like that though Luigi. I have healthy respect for Kung Fu, especially Hung Gar. You can ask Diet Butcher about that. When I see bad form I'll call it out though, and then being told it's not bad form but techniques I am not familiar with seems a bit cultish.

This true. Som has PMed me about Hung Gar and Pak Mei.

Thing is, I like Kung Fu, grew up on it. It's not the techniques... I believe the techniques work. But they don't train to make it work. They do the forms and some very rudimentary bag or pad work (only offense, hardly any defense ever) and that's it.

My brother, who tranes, came to HK a couple of years back for the summer. He decided to take kung fu lessons from a family friend. My bro was nothing but respectful trying to learn what he can with no ego. But one of the sifu's students, his "top student" I suppose, wanted to test my bro. My bro just shrugged it off most of the time until one time he agreed to spar the guy. He arm dragged the "Top student", took him down, mounted him, slapped him around a bit and armbarred him. Since that incident, the sifu asked my bro to come to every class so he could show them some stuff, lol.

great story, lol

I actually went to the first class with my brother. Really tough solo training though. Can develop some insane core strength.

[Professor Diet Butcher]

MT is actually Cambodian. Don't tell the Thais though. My current favorite rule-set is that of Lethwei.

Lethwei. Look at these little fuckers go!

[Canuckster]

Lethwei is fucking bonkers