Pre Fire Arms armies - who was the best?

[Vutulaki-san]

Theres a thread on the OG asking the above.

Here's my list in descending order

1. Mongols - Greatest cavalry ever, being wrestling asians instead of kunfu/karate asians they could handle CQC.
2. Romans - Organised second to none other than Mongols,
3. Germanic tribes around the height of Rome's power
4. NZ Maori - These guys werent tested like the above but when they went up against the Brits they fucked them up in many exchanges, they were also cheeky fighters learning English and yelling "Flank left/right" to confuse the Brits. When hand to hand CQC ensued the Brits were no match for the Maoris.
5. Vikings to shut Galt up.

[Vutulaki-san]

Honorable mention to Swiss Pikers although they were greatly assisted by their geography/topography

[Som-Pong]

Romans.

"Their drills are bloodless battles, and their battles are bloody drills" - Josephus

Not sure of the quote, but the gladius stab to the groin is a thing of beauty. I'd also throw in the Tartars.

[Vutulaki-san]

Romans.

"Their drills are bloodless battles, and their battles are bloody drills" - Josephus

Not sure of the quote, but the gladius stab to the groin is a thing of beauty. I'd also throw in the Tartars.

I thought Tartars were latter day mongols, the Russian dish steak tartar is tendorised steak, the mongols tenderized theirs by placing it under their saddles

[Som-Pong]

They are, but white which makes them better.

Our Swedish version is Radjurs Sadel - Venision Saddle. Same same.

[Vutulaki-san]

Mongols never made it to Sveden man

[Som-Pong]

Nation state borders don't count for much. Care to explain the Finno-Ugric connection?

[Vutulaki-san]

know eye deer

[Som-Pong]

Romans run this shit.

Post-gunpowder but the army of Karl XII of Sweden whooped some ass.

[Vutulaki-san]

Romans were before the mongols time but from a way ahead society in terms of technology. How do the romans beat the mongols ?