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Masato wrote:Hey man - what about EY's takes on the subject are you referring to?
I really enjoyed the breakdowns there, it really introduced the whole subject to me. Dude can go pretty far sometimes though that's no doubt. But I think that's kind of fun too lol
Halbig story is indeed a strange one too
almost all of them. lol.
its all in the iconic 'sandy hook photo thread'. or the 'wolgang goes to newtown'. or the 'fraud' one.
its all good. i do think the hoax thing has gone WAY too far when they are threatening families, desecrating memorials, online & home harassment, etc though.
& the further i look, its almost so stupid/unbelievable, i have a hard time believing anyone could fall for these charlatans & their 'evidence'. really want to try to understand hoaxer thinking. I just cant fathom how their mind works.
i cant believe I'm the only person on that site that feels this way. god i hope not. but I was pretty much alone in the that thread until ben & winson jumped in.
Its fun though, that's why i go to forums. to learn & discuss. bounce shit off people. I usually just roll with it, but when I strongly disagree w/something, and feel pretty strong about my case, feels kind of irresponsible to not speak up... I'm sure you've prob seen some of the threads where we always end up going back & forth, but i really do bite my tongue quite a bit. wife & kid were out of town, so I had a little more time than usual... lol.
I look @ everything, so I figured Id see what you guys have here on it is all. pretty much everything wolf & fetzer are using as their main talking points have been answered/debunked. but I've posted it all over there somewhere.
I do like smallstorm's work, but IIRC, she never went as far as hoax. I don't believe the story we were spoon-fed is what really happened.
CT Journeys are unique things to every person I think... they take us on weird journeys ups and downs, doubt and clarity.
I think EY's forum has a great value but I totally hear you about going too far sometimes. EY is like a leap to the far edge, and then one can kind of step back again and reflect. Plus I grow weary of the whole catholic spin. But it does help a lot to find some community who are at least discussing the things I am interested in, and I must admit I do like to play on the edge of CT sometimes and see what I may find, lol. Its difficult to research alone sometimes, getting others perspectives is always fresh. Plus there are some pretty smart dudes there imo, very few trolls, and the debate is usually civil, which is rare in my forum-experience.
I try not to be so sure of myself, I always have the possibility I'm just way wrong about shit lurking in the back of the head. I am certainly not going to preach RCC here either, lol
The more I go on forums (been enjoying them since around 2000), the more I am finding what I like and what I don't like.
That's why I made this place, to try to take the best from what I've learned and to try to avoid the things that have turned me away. I really hope this subsection keeps growing, I have learned a lot from EY about how to manage a good board, but hope to keep the tone a little more humble and patient. If you know anyone there you'd feel comfortable to invite, please do. Winnson shows up here sometimes, of which I am very pleased. Hope he continues
As far as Sandy hook...
I think your last sentence summed it up perfectly... as it does with almost ALL conspiracy-related topics, and is usually the bottom line of what we can actually ever be confident of:
"I don't believe the story we were spoon-fed is what really happened."
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.
For two months Wolfgang Halbig has made the rounds on alternative media outlets to explain his doubts on the official narrative of the Sandy Hook massacre. Now the apparently well-intentioned school safety expert has proceeded to establish an online presence, where he has raised over $10,000 toward achieving “Sandy Hook Justice.” An appearance before the Newtown School Board is tentatively scheduled where Mr. Halbig will publicly demonstrate his indignation toward a cover-up.
In early 2013 major and alternative news media alike were beating a path to my door. Reporters quite literally chased me around my place of employment, hoping to obtain the scoop on the “wacko” academic who might recant on his observation that the incident in Newtown was likely a big fraud. Even Anderson Cooper fussed on national television that such an individual was employed at a “taxpayer-funded” institution.
Shortly after this flurry of attention certain parties contacted me and essentially proposed that they become my handlers. The idea was that I would be the public face of a detailed independent investigation into the Sandy Hook episode. For hours they attempted to convince me that the “Sandy Hook actors” were in fact members of the “Greenberg family clan.” They subsequently produced a professional-looking report that I was to tout.
I became increasingly doubtful of the thesis and how it might prove productive. My suspicion turned to alarm when the parties suggested that vigilante justice be visited upon the alleged Sandy Hook perpetrators. Even worse, a website was developed for the investigation that came dangerously close in name and terminology to mirroring a federal law enforcement agency—calling itself the “US Intelligence Information Center” and using jargon such as “suspects” and “persons of interest.” The individual then proceeded to essentially speak for me, posting the report and my name to social media sites. It was at this time that I sent the following email and discontinued further communication:
I was unaware that you posted the report on __________ and included my name and institutional affiliation. This was done without my approval, as was the posting of Sandy Hook Massacre Timeline on the website you’ve created. I am going to have to ask that things slow down and that my attorney review any further activity by you in which you use my name in any way. I also ask that you please not use my aforementioned Timeline.
As for the name of the organization, “US Intelligence Information Center” and website http://www.sandyhookinvestigation.com/ I cannot at this time approve or lend my support. The use of the title “US Intelligence Information Center” and terms such as “Suspects” and “Persons of Interest” are tantamount to impersonating law enforcement and can likely cause a great deal of trouble for all involved.
Sincerely,
James Tracy
Those in the 9/11 Truth movement are well aware of the “cognitive infiltrators” who are only too happy to harness a loose cannon or two that will sabotage or otherwise hinder the genuine remedy of collective intelligence. I am aware that at least one of the parties who misinformed me is now operating as Wofgang Halbig’s handler.
This is unfortunate because despite Halbig’s awkwardness, the overall thrust of his inquiry—legally interrogating the officials overseeing the Sandy Hook event—is a logical next step toward better understanding what took place in Newtown fifteen months ago. Yet my previous experiences indicate that such individuals will likely proceed to lead Mr. Halbig down blind or deceiving alleys that in the end will only serve to further undermine a genuine pursuit of truth.
He describes the process to control opposition... how they come in w/ handlers. Any answers learned from the inquiry would be considered a "limited hangout" at best.
Daglord wrote:james tracy (memoryhole) re: wolfgang & his "handlers"
He describes the process to control opposition... how they come in w/ handlers. Any answers learned from the inquiry would be considered a "limited hangout" at best.
EXACTLY! Id give ya more rep if I could.
stuff like porta-potties, lifestar choppers, cleanup, organ donation, etc, et...
From 'Dagwood' @ EY.... GREAT info. Amazing audio, lots of clues here:
For reference:
1. 154 shots fired
2. Bushmaster AR15/M4/XM15 semi-automatic military combat rifle used by 6 world militaries
- not 'fully automatic'... 'hold down the trigger' rapid fire
- semi-automatic = Pull trigger for each shot
- takes much more time to unload magazine with much great length of time between single shots than fully automatic "800 rounds per minute/18 rounds per second
3. TRY TO PULL YOUR TRIGGER FINGER 154 TIMES REASONABLY QUICKLY ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND SEE HOW FAR YOU GET
4. OK - Let's break that down to the official story firing regime to make it easier on you...
5. Try to pull your trigger finger only 30 time in a row quickly then pick up a new magazine and repeat 5 timeS & 1 additional magazine reload and then pull your trigger finger 4 time quickly in a row
6. 154 SHOTS IN 5 MINUTES... 5 MINUTES
+ THE TIME IT TAKES TO MOVE THROUGH THE SCHOOL FROM ROOM TO ROOM AFTER THE FIRST SHOT TO FIND THE CHILDREN & TEACHERS IN NUMEROUS DIFFERENT ROOMS.
+ PLUS THE TIME IT TAKES TO ACQUIRE EACH NON-STATIC TARGET IN ORDER TO REACH THE SAME HIGH ACCURACY AND HIGH KILL RATE AS LANZA (HEAD SHOTS/HEART/LUNGS/VITAL ORGANS). ALL VICTIMS WERE DECLARED DDED WITHING 11 MINUTES LEAVING NOT MUCH ROOM FOR LONGER BLEED OUT DEATHS.
+ SANDY KOOK HAD THE HIGHEST KILL RATED EVER SEEN BY A LARGE MARGIN IN MASS SHOOTING IN THE US.
+ STOP FIRING, EJECT USED MAGAZINE, FIND NEW MAGAZINE ON PERSON/BELT/BAG THEN LOAD BRAND NEW MAGAZINE + REPEAT 6 TIMES
6. How many decibels is the sound of a military assault rifle firing with no noise suppression?
80db? = Noisy Restaurant
130db = Loudest music concert
140db? = Commercial jet taking off
160db = Remington .223 round military load 18 " barrel
- every 10db is 10X louder
- Remington .223 round = 20X louder than jet X 154 INDIVIDUAL SHOTS
Comments
Rick Marrow
9 months ago
Wow.. listen around the 16:04 mark "active shooting drill". Is that what I just heard?
Yerizzo
8 months ago
"Yea, you got it"
Dontchaknow
11 months ago
OMG- please listen at 16:02, the 911 operator asks someone, "Did you hear what's going on at the Sandy Hook School", and he responds with "Yeah, active shooter DRILL". If you have good speakers please listen and verify. I swear he says Drill!! She responds with, "you got it".
BloodlessKills
5 months ago
8:08 she said in the background it's fake
Gary Songer
8 months ago
"Active shooter drill" "There's a rumor Sandy Hook is fake" Please take note people...if this doesn't open your eye's then there's no hope for you. The media has spent all their time attacking the people doing "their" job! We no longer have a free press and haven't had one for who knows how long.
blonzella
6 months ago
Did you hear that, she said "there's a rumor its fake"... WOW!!
Rach T
11 months ago
That was the first time I ever heard the Columbine phone calls, and this is the second time I have heard the Sandy Hook calls. With the Columbine calls, Nielson is very upset, you can tell there is desperateness in her voice. You can hear other people / kids in the library with her. You can hear her labored breathing, because she is obviously upset. Than when you listen to the Sandy Hook calls, it sounds like people are reading lines. Another thing I noticed, the 911 operator stayed on the phone with Patti Nielson for several minutes. Trying to calm her down and assess the scene as best she could. You didn't hear that with any of the Sandy Hook calls. In fact, the 911 operators were rushing people off the phone, and were rude. I felt no emotion over the Sandy Hook calls like I did with the Columbine calls. I was getting upset hearing Nielson, but I didn't feel anything with the Sandy Hook calls. Thanks for the video
Sarah Sorensen
8 months ago
What else I found strange was that when the students were taken out of columbine and people interviewed them ,they were crying,hyper ventilating,pretty much torn apart in interviews for about three days .They showed signs of trauma. However what I find strange is that a bunch of 6-9 year olds just got out of one of the largest school shootings known,without spazzing or a single tear,along with any sign of mental damage when they were interviewed just hours later. What?!?!?!
Anna Smith
10 months ago
at 6:23 Rick Thorne (tape 3) states "police are shooting at the front glass"..
Courvoisier Papi
17 hours ago (edited)
Police Officer: Okay, Do you see anything or hear anything more?
Sandy Hook Bullshitter: "I keep hearing shooting, I keep hearing popping"
well idk about anyone else but the only thing I heard in the back was a telephone ringing.. like damn they could've at least made some fake gun sounds back there lol they're insulting our intelligence with this 9/11 and the Boston Bombing hoax lmao.
1notgilty
8 months ago
At 8:09 the 911 operator Jen says: "There's a rumor it's fake." Her supervisor then immediately says: "Jen, hang up, I need you to get off that phone."
Woops - there it is!
ianipoo
9 months ago
At 6:04 you can hear some guy in the background of the 911 call from the sandy hook recording yell "cut!!" what the hell?
GuyLivingOffGrid
11 months ago
The Sandy Hoax lady who got shot in the foot, LMFAO) She is so clam & casual, like being shot in the foot with a .223 Rem or 9mm is a walk in the park! To all you POS actors, corporate owned mainstream presstitutes, and Newtown officials who participated in this false flag event, FUCK-YOU... Fuck-You... fuckkkkkk- youuuuuu!! NOT taking MY GUNS......
ImTheRandomWhiteGuy
11 months ago
6:21 "police are shooting at the... at the front glass somethings going on." Police?......
That1dude333
11 months ago
In all the rescue 911 calls ive heard newtown is the only one where they hang up on the callers before they no for sure that the caller is safe. 16:02 tells the truth right there spread the word!!!
