Thoughts on coronavirus...
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If true, this is treason
Fauci's NIAID Gave $3.7 Million To Wuhan Lab To Study Coronavirus in Bats?
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.
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Some social distancing may be needed into 2022 to keep coronavirus in check, new study says
By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswellAPRIL 14, 2020
A modeling study on the new coronavirus warns that intermittent periods of social distancing may need to persist into 2022 in the United States to keep the surge of people severely sickened by Covid-19 from overwhelming the health care system.
The research, published Tuesday in the journal Science, looked at a range of scenarios for how the SARS-CoV-2 virus will spread over the next five years. Those scenarios included variables like whether people who are infected develop short-term immunity — less than a year — or longer-term protection. But, overall, the research concludes it is unlikely that life will return any time soon to the way it was before the virus’ emergence.
The researchers, from Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, acknowledged the economic fallout from the response to the virus has been profound. And they stressed they were not advocating one course of action over another.
“Our goal in modeling such policies is not to endorse them but to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under alternative approaches,” they wrote. “We do not take a position on the advisability of these scenarios given the economic burden that sustained distancing may impose, but we note the potentially catastrophic burden on the healthcare system that is predicted if distancing is poorly effective and-or not sustained for long enough.”
The authors suggest a number of factors will play a major role in the path the disease will take over the coming years — if transmission subsides in summer and resurges in winter, if there is some immunity induced by infection and how long it lasts, and whether people get any cross-protective immunity from having been infected with related human coronaviruses that cause common colds.
In terms of the latter, they suggest if infection with the human coronaviruses, HKU1 and OC43, gives some protection again SARS-CoV-2, it could appear that transmission of the new virus was tapering off. But a return within a few years would be expected, perhaps by 2024, they suggested. The two human coronaviruses induce only short-term immunity — less than a year — in infected people.
If SARS-CoV-2 triggers immunity of a similarly transient nature, annual wintertime waves of infection might be expected, they said. If the immunity lasts longer, the time between surges of cases might be a couple of years, or more.
And if immunity is permanent, the pandemic might burn itself out by about 2025, they said. The researchers suggested, though, that that scenario is unlikely.
The model predicts that a one-time social distancing effort of the type currently being employed in most parts of the country will not stop transmission of the virus. If treatments are developed that can prevent Covid-19 patients from progressing to severe disease or if a vaccine is developed, movement restrictions could be loosened without health care capacity being overwhelmed, the researchers said.
Likewise, increasing the capacity for intensive care beds could also allow a community to loosen its restrictions, as long as it could cope with the severe cases the increased spread would generate. That could speed progress towards herd immunity — the point where enough people have some immunity that transmission should drop off, they said. Without these extra tools, though, transmission will resurge once controls are loosened, the authors warned.
“So I think distancing interventions of some sort are going to have to continue, hopefully lightened and in conjunction with other interventions,” said Marc Lipsitch, a leading infectious diseases epidemiologist and senior author of the study.
Infectious diseases epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers said the modeling work will be useful for public health officials and disease experts trying to plan for the continued response to the virus.
“What this is saying is that SARS-CoV-2 will stay with us through 2022, that it’s not going to die down to nothing in the summer. So I think it’s helpful for thinking what interventions are sustainable and effective,” said Rivers, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “If we knew that we only had to make it through another two weeks, we might make different decisions than understanding that this is a threat that will be with us for many months,” she added.
While acknowledging that intermittent periods of distancing over several years “is obviously a very long time,’’ Lipsitch said loosened restrictions could come sooner if scientists discovered that a lot more people have been infected already and have some immunity. He and his co-authors stressed how critical it is to conduct long-term serology studies designed to map out human immune responses to the virus over time.
“On the other hand, there are some indications coming out at the moment that not every case of Covid-19 infection … generates a robust immune response, which would mean that the build up of herd immunity is slower than its anticipated here,” he added.
The study does not look at whether imposing social distancing only among certain high-risk groups — including older adults and those with serious underlying health problems — might keep the number of severe cases low enough that health systems would be able to handle them.
Another of the authors, Yonatan Grad, said tailoring restrictions to high-risk groups would be an important idea. But one would also need to factor in whether people who had been freed from social distancing restrictions would then interact with people in those restricted groups — something that might depend on the composition of individual households, he said.
Lipsitch acknowledged that delaying the development of herd immunity — effectively keeping large numbers of people susceptible to the virus by shielding them from infection — runs a risk of creating a larger wave of illness later, if controls are eased during a time when the virus transmits more easily, as it is expected to do during winter months. But delaying infections buys time, he said.
“Pushing bad things out into the future is something we want to do because we should know more about treatments, we may be closer to a vaccine,” he said. “So there is some benefit to delay, but it might be offset in the seasonal scenario where we push the peak into the high transmission time around the winter.”
Source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/14/some-social-distancing-may-be-needed-into-2022-to-keep-coronavirus-in-check-new-study-says/
By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswellAPRIL 14, 2020
A modeling study on the new coronavirus warns that intermittent periods of social distancing may need to persist into 2022 in the United States to keep the surge of people severely sickened by Covid-19 from overwhelming the health care system.
The research, published Tuesday in the journal Science, looked at a range of scenarios for how the SARS-CoV-2 virus will spread over the next five years. Those scenarios included variables like whether people who are infected develop short-term immunity — less than a year — or longer-term protection. But, overall, the research concludes it is unlikely that life will return any time soon to the way it was before the virus’ emergence.
The researchers, from Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, acknowledged the economic fallout from the response to the virus has been profound. And they stressed they were not advocating one course of action over another.
“Our goal in modeling such policies is not to endorse them but to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under alternative approaches,” they wrote. “We do not take a position on the advisability of these scenarios given the economic burden that sustained distancing may impose, but we note the potentially catastrophic burden on the healthcare system that is predicted if distancing is poorly effective and-or not sustained for long enough.”
The authors suggest a number of factors will play a major role in the path the disease will take over the coming years — if transmission subsides in summer and resurges in winter, if there is some immunity induced by infection and how long it lasts, and whether people get any cross-protective immunity from having been infected with related human coronaviruses that cause common colds.
In terms of the latter, they suggest if infection with the human coronaviruses, HKU1 and OC43, gives some protection again SARS-CoV-2, it could appear that transmission of the new virus was tapering off. But a return within a few years would be expected, perhaps by 2024, they suggested. The two human coronaviruses induce only short-term immunity — less than a year — in infected people.
If SARS-CoV-2 triggers immunity of a similarly transient nature, annual wintertime waves of infection might be expected, they said. If the immunity lasts longer, the time between surges of cases might be a couple of years, or more.
And if immunity is permanent, the pandemic might burn itself out by about 2025, they said. The researchers suggested, though, that that scenario is unlikely.
The model predicts that a one-time social distancing effort of the type currently being employed in most parts of the country will not stop transmission of the virus. If treatments are developed that can prevent Covid-19 patients from progressing to severe disease or if a vaccine is developed, movement restrictions could be loosened without health care capacity being overwhelmed, the researchers said.
Likewise, increasing the capacity for intensive care beds could also allow a community to loosen its restrictions, as long as it could cope with the severe cases the increased spread would generate. That could speed progress towards herd immunity — the point where enough people have some immunity that transmission should drop off, they said. Without these extra tools, though, transmission will resurge once controls are loosened, the authors warned.
“So I think distancing interventions of some sort are going to have to continue, hopefully lightened and in conjunction with other interventions,” said Marc Lipsitch, a leading infectious diseases epidemiologist and senior author of the study.
Infectious diseases epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers said the modeling work will be useful for public health officials and disease experts trying to plan for the continued response to the virus.
“What this is saying is that SARS-CoV-2 will stay with us through 2022, that it’s not going to die down to nothing in the summer. So I think it’s helpful for thinking what interventions are sustainable and effective,” said Rivers, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “If we knew that we only had to make it through another two weeks, we might make different decisions than understanding that this is a threat that will be with us for many months,” she added.
While acknowledging that intermittent periods of distancing over several years “is obviously a very long time,’’ Lipsitch said loosened restrictions could come sooner if scientists discovered that a lot more people have been infected already and have some immunity. He and his co-authors stressed how critical it is to conduct long-term serology studies designed to map out human immune responses to the virus over time.
“On the other hand, there are some indications coming out at the moment that not every case of Covid-19 infection … generates a robust immune response, which would mean that the build up of herd immunity is slower than its anticipated here,” he added.
The study does not look at whether imposing social distancing only among certain high-risk groups — including older adults and those with serious underlying health problems — might keep the number of severe cases low enough that health systems would be able to handle them.
Another of the authors, Yonatan Grad, said tailoring restrictions to high-risk groups would be an important idea. But one would also need to factor in whether people who had been freed from social distancing restrictions would then interact with people in those restricted groups — something that might depend on the composition of individual households, he said.
Lipsitch acknowledged that delaying the development of herd immunity — effectively keeping large numbers of people susceptible to the virus by shielding them from infection — runs a risk of creating a larger wave of illness later, if controls are eased during a time when the virus transmits more easily, as it is expected to do during winter months. But delaying infections buys time, he said.
“Pushing bad things out into the future is something we want to do because we should know more about treatments, we may be closer to a vaccine,” he said. “So there is some benefit to delay, but it might be offset in the seasonal scenario where we push the peak into the high transmission time around the winter.”
Source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/14/some-social-distancing-may-be-needed-into-2022-to-keep-coronavirus-in-check-new-study-says/
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This is both evil and hilarious
https://twitter.com/magnogreko/status/1 ... 79682?s=20
so that was a prank? may be prophetic
copy/pasted from some guy on facebook who seems to think the whole thing is fake.
Interesting scenario:
Making sense of the insanity
A clear picture is beginning to emerge from the fog of lies the system is drowning us in with respect to the so-called Coronavirus pandemic.
There is no coronavirus pandemic. What we have is a deceptive way of misdiagnosing influenza with the help of false tests that give false positives 80% of the time. In other words the flu is now diagnosed as Covid-19.
But why would all UN member states cooperate in this grand deception? The short answer is to change the existing system because it no longer works and to start a new system capable of accomplishing the 17 sustainable development goals.
We have seen how emergency measures that amount to martial law have been introduced throughout the developed world and beyond forcing people to stay locked in their homes, shutting down factories and prohibiting all economic activity except for food, medicine and utilities.
Let us now see what the true reasons are for such unprecedented measures that are worse than the worst tyrannies in history, but our governments justify as necessary to prevent the spread of the pandemic and save lives.
Stay home:
This is to prevent us from using modes of transportation thus limiting to an absolute minimum our consumption of fossil fuels in the hope of lowering greenhouse gas emissions and pollution levels to slow down global warming. All other measures have failed to accomplish this. We have seen how cities around the world have reached air and water pollution levels that make life hard and spell disaster for human health.
This is also to allow scientists to observe how the planet reacts and to collect data about pollution levels and recovery rates, which will enable better climate predictive models and will give us a better idea how much time we have before we plunge the planet into an unstable state that will make agriculture impossible in many parts of the world.
Social distancing and no groups larger than two or three:
This is to see if people can hack the isolation and the lack of human contact that will be part of our lives if artificial intelligence is fully engaged. It is also to weaken social bonds, family ties outside the nuclear family, and group ties so as to prevent us from organizing and resisting the changes that will be forced upon us. This is also intended to weaken us psychologically, which will make it much easier for the authorities to manipulate us so we do what we are told and what we know to be against our own best interests, such as accept mandatory depop vaccines. This is also to prevent us from gathering, demonstrating and rebelling so we cannot regain the fundamental rights and liberties that have been taken from us overnight.
Work from home:
This is to see if commercial infrastructure can be reduced substantially by using our homes also as our offices and workplaces and to test the capacity of the internet to accommodate a work from home model, which will save a tremendous amount of resources. By working from home transportation can be reduced significantly and fossil fuel emission lowered substantially, which will bring us closer to the carbon neutral economy we are supposed to achieve in order to prevent global warming and environmental destruction. Last, this is to test our capacity to work in isolation and our ability and willingness to rely solely on artificial intelligence.
Isolate the old:
This is to shatter the remaining health of the old and push them over the edge and thus into an early grave because governments can no longer pay the pensions, medical costs and other social entitlements retired people benefit from and are indeed entitled to. Having subverted fertility for the past seven decades all developed nations now have inverted population pyramids, thus too many old people (20% or more of the population) and too few working people to bear the burden of the old, which is an unstable and unsustainable economic situation. Any frail person devoid of sunshine, movement, fresh fruit and vegetables, easy access to medical services, the presence of loved ones and meaningful social interaction will experience a quick collapse of their physical health and an even quicker collapse of their psychological health. Furthermore, old people now in the care of the state or in private or publicly subsidized old age homes can be euthanized against their will and without the knowledge let alone consent of their children or spouses.
Use digital modes of payment instead of cash:
Under the pretext that cash transmits the Coronavirus, governments encourage the use of digital forms of payment. This enables the government to monitor and control where and how we spend our money and soon also when and where we can spend our money. This will also enable the government to destroy the informal economy and make everyone dependent on government handouts and therefore in no position to refuse any governmental imposition. This is also a test run to see if cash can be eliminated altogether and to advance the process of eliminating physical money.
Go out only for essential shopping:
This is to reduce our consumption and thus alleviate the burden of overpopulation and over-consumption on nature. This will reduce our carbon footprint to a bare minimum.
Shutting down factories:
This will lead to the bankruptcy of frivolous industries and the reduction of non-essential industries. It will enable governments to nationalize key industries and reorganize the economy according to the sustainability agenda. Ultimately, it will allow human civilization to make better use of capital, human and natural resources to eliminate extreme poverty, hunger, inequality and to prevent catastrophic environmental collapse.
Listen only to the authorities:
This will enable governments to make its lies credible, its intrusions into our lives inescapable, and the destruction of our rights and liberties irreversible. It will enable totalitarianism.
Interesting scenario:
Making sense of the insanity
A clear picture is beginning to emerge from the fog of lies the system is drowning us in with respect to the so-called Coronavirus pandemic.
There is no coronavirus pandemic. What we have is a deceptive way of misdiagnosing influenza with the help of false tests that give false positives 80% of the time. In other words the flu is now diagnosed as Covid-19.
But why would all UN member states cooperate in this grand deception? The short answer is to change the existing system because it no longer works and to start a new system capable of accomplishing the 17 sustainable development goals.
We have seen how emergency measures that amount to martial law have been introduced throughout the developed world and beyond forcing people to stay locked in their homes, shutting down factories and prohibiting all economic activity except for food, medicine and utilities.
Let us now see what the true reasons are for such unprecedented measures that are worse than the worst tyrannies in history, but our governments justify as necessary to prevent the spread of the pandemic and save lives.
Stay home:
This is to prevent us from using modes of transportation thus limiting to an absolute minimum our consumption of fossil fuels in the hope of lowering greenhouse gas emissions and pollution levels to slow down global warming. All other measures have failed to accomplish this. We have seen how cities around the world have reached air and water pollution levels that make life hard and spell disaster for human health.
This is also to allow scientists to observe how the planet reacts and to collect data about pollution levels and recovery rates, which will enable better climate predictive models and will give us a better idea how much time we have before we plunge the planet into an unstable state that will make agriculture impossible in many parts of the world.
Social distancing and no groups larger than two or three:
This is to see if people can hack the isolation and the lack of human contact that will be part of our lives if artificial intelligence is fully engaged. It is also to weaken social bonds, family ties outside the nuclear family, and group ties so as to prevent us from organizing and resisting the changes that will be forced upon us. This is also intended to weaken us psychologically, which will make it much easier for the authorities to manipulate us so we do what we are told and what we know to be against our own best interests, such as accept mandatory depop vaccines. This is also to prevent us from gathering, demonstrating and rebelling so we cannot regain the fundamental rights and liberties that have been taken from us overnight.
Work from home:
This is to see if commercial infrastructure can be reduced substantially by using our homes also as our offices and workplaces and to test the capacity of the internet to accommodate a work from home model, which will save a tremendous amount of resources. By working from home transportation can be reduced significantly and fossil fuel emission lowered substantially, which will bring us closer to the carbon neutral economy we are supposed to achieve in order to prevent global warming and environmental destruction. Last, this is to test our capacity to work in isolation and our ability and willingness to rely solely on artificial intelligence.
Isolate the old:
This is to shatter the remaining health of the old and push them over the edge and thus into an early grave because governments can no longer pay the pensions, medical costs and other social entitlements retired people benefit from and are indeed entitled to. Having subverted fertility for the past seven decades all developed nations now have inverted population pyramids, thus too many old people (20% or more of the population) and too few working people to bear the burden of the old, which is an unstable and unsustainable economic situation. Any frail person devoid of sunshine, movement, fresh fruit and vegetables, easy access to medical services, the presence of loved ones and meaningful social interaction will experience a quick collapse of their physical health and an even quicker collapse of their psychological health. Furthermore, old people now in the care of the state or in private or publicly subsidized old age homes can be euthanized against their will and without the knowledge let alone consent of their children or spouses.
Use digital modes of payment instead of cash:
Under the pretext that cash transmits the Coronavirus, governments encourage the use of digital forms of payment. This enables the government to monitor and control where and how we spend our money and soon also when and where we can spend our money. This will also enable the government to destroy the informal economy and make everyone dependent on government handouts and therefore in no position to refuse any governmental imposition. This is also a test run to see if cash can be eliminated altogether and to advance the process of eliminating physical money.
Go out only for essential shopping:
This is to reduce our consumption and thus alleviate the burden of overpopulation and over-consumption on nature. This will reduce our carbon footprint to a bare minimum.
Shutting down factories:
This will lead to the bankruptcy of frivolous industries and the reduction of non-essential industries. It will enable governments to nationalize key industries and reorganize the economy according to the sustainability agenda. Ultimately, it will allow human civilization to make better use of capital, human and natural resources to eliminate extreme poverty, hunger, inequality and to prevent catastrophic environmental collapse.
Listen only to the authorities:
This will enable governments to make its lies credible, its intrusions into our lives inescapable, and the destruction of our rights and liberties irreversible. It will enable totalitarianism.
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Megaterio Llamas
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Canuckster wrote:
If true, this is treason
Fauci's NIAID Gave $3.7 Million To Wuhan Lab To Study Coronavirus in Bats?
This is interesting. Thanks for posting Canuckster.
el rey del mambo
Thanks for all the links here folks.
I am diving in the rabbit hole today, have a full days work and feeling good
Starting terms... Please research:
EVENT 201
- A specific DRILL/simulation of a pandemic of exactly like this, with Bill and Melinda Gates on board.
Some are saying Event 201 could be the smoking gun of this whole thing.
Also: DARK WINTER
Another 'exercise' held JUST before another virus outbreak, politically spun to the gills
How many events in the past 20 years can you remember with specific DRILLS that took place right before, or even DURING the said events?
Hopefully most members/viewers here can think of several.
I am diving in the rabbit hole today, have a full days work and feeling good
Starting terms... Please research:
EVENT 201
- A specific DRILL/simulation of a pandemic of exactly like this, with Bill and Melinda Gates on board.
Some are saying Event 201 could be the smoking gun of this whole thing.
Also: DARK WINTER
Another 'exercise' held JUST before another virus outbreak, politically spun to the gills
How many events in the past 20 years can you remember with specific DRILLS that took place right before, or even DURING the said events?
Hopefully most members/viewers here can think of several.
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Canuckster
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You mean every single live mass shooter drill during Obama's term? And how there's been almost none under trump?
People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.
Megaterio Llamas wrote:Canuckster wrote:
If true, this is treason
Fauci's NIAID Gave $3.7 Million To Wuhan Lab To Study Coronavirus in Bats?
This is interesting. Thanks for posting Canuckster.
YES
Ben Swann FTW
This is exactly what Corbett was talking about, Anthony Fauci from NIAID has been directly linked alongside Bill Gates to be FUNDING CORONAVIRUS STUDIES IN BATS in a laboratory IN WUHAN. Now he is directing the Emergency Response, and no one is calling conflict of interest?
Tons of evidence this came from that same lab. Corbett also found some data that showed that a specific study of some sort had just ended like literally a day before the first outbreaks occurred. Go watch that Corbett vid it's the same as Ben Swann but a little deeper
Masato wrote:Was There Foreknowledge of the Plandemic?
This is fantastic, it feels like we finally have a foothold to start climbing from
Please continue to research EVENT 201
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